Garda Reserve

Turner

Any takers on this board.

livy

if the garda reserve was structered like the army reserves it might work well as a reruitment idea

Thirdfox

I'll stick to the other side of the law thanks (no, not the criminal side but the judicial side )

hullaballoo

I'll do it. Me! Me! Me!

Oh no, wait. I'm going to be a barrister instead.

Victor

Thats old.

It would be difficult for the Garda Reserve to act like the RDF. The primary function of the RDF is training, the secondary function is support to the PDF in it's various roles (including aid to the civil power). By contrast, it seems that the GR will be used not quite day to day, but certainly ona week to week basis.

hullaballoo wrote:

Oh no, wait. I'm going to be a barrister instead.

Ha, not with the marks you got in criminal.

Thirdfox

Oh no, wait. I'm going to be a barrister instead.

Ha, not with the marks you got in criminal.

Zing!

hullaballoo

I got 74% in Criminal. Pfft. I'm the next Paul Anthony McDermott.

Thirdfox

Didn't he lose the case today involving the statutory rape case (since the SC ruled that no defence to stat. rape = unconstitutional?)

There's a thread about it in the AH forum.

Ps. I retract my Zing! if Hulla did get 74%

Our man in Havana

Sign me up!

Eru

We have a giant poster of this in the station beside the 'official' one.

Very funny.

Our man in Havana

Are they recruiting yet?

hullaballoo

Recruiting? It's just collect a few labels of a can of CS gas and send away, is it not?

Our man in Havana

hullaballoo wrote:

Recruiting? It's just collect a few labels of a can of CS gas and send away, is it not?

Roffle That's priceless!

besty

hullaballoo wrote:

I got 74% in Criminal. Pfft. I'm the next Paul Anthony McDermott.

AFAIK the insane are also restricted from said profession.

EdgarAllenPoo

hullaballoo wrote:

I got 74% in Criminal. Pfft. I'm the next Paul Anthony McDermott.

That means you'll be on the Eamon Dunphy show every week:D

Eru

THeres an interesting problem with the reserves that no one has considered as its unique in Ireland.

Student Gardai get assigned to stations after 6 months and do 6 months in the station doing station duties, patroling with full Gardai, etc but as they are students they have no powers of arrest, etc themselves and only have powers to assist the full Garda thats with them.

Now heres the question, say you have a situation where a reserve and a student end up together without a full timer, whos the boss? You have a reserve with 4 hours experience and 2 days training in charge of a person with 6 months training and possible months of experience. Wheres the logic????

maidhc

Karlitosway1978 wrote:

Now heres the question, say you have a situation where a reserve and a student end up together without a full timer, whos the boss? You have a reserve with 4 hours experience and 2 days training in charge of a person with 6 months training and possible months of experience. Wheres the logic????

Humm. Both have an argument and the baddy gets away?

Interesting!

Trojan911

Karlitosway1978 wrote:

Now heres the question, say you have a situation where a reserve and a student end up together without a full timer, whos the boss?You have a reserve with 4 hours experience and 2 days training in charge of a person with 6 months training and possible months of experience. Wheres the logic????

There is no boss and there is no logic. They shouldn't be out together in the first place. It is downright incompetence on the person who posted them together. He/she should not be in a position of authority if thats the sort of supervision that is applied.

There was a case in London a few years back where two probationer police officers were out walking when one of them decided to search a known perp for drugs. The other disagreed with his colleague and argued that he had no grounds to search the person. This was argued in front of the perp and members of the public. It then turned into a full blown brawl in the street between the two officers, who incidentally were in full uniform, and their colleagues were called to break it up.

Strangely enough, both were required to resign and the perp never got searched. The Sgt who posted them together was also rollocked for posting two probationers together.


TJ911...

Eru

Trojan,
You fail to take into account the many many events that can take place and would leave these 2 together, a simple one being this....


Fulltimer and student walking on lower oconnell streeet, fulltimer and reserve walking on eden quay. On oconnell bridge theres a 3 man brawl.

Fulltime A arrests and restrains 1st man, fulltime B arrests and restrains 2nd man. 3rd man runs and reserve and student give chase. They end up on marlborough street without a fulltime officer.

On Friday and Saturday night in Dublin, Cork, etc there are mass brawls involving upto a dozen people. Clear commends cannot easily be given when you are trying to stop such an event and you cannot watch your student/reserve and restrain the guy thats trying to kick the **** out of you and the other Joe Publics. This will happen very shortly and to add to it, the student will be fulltime within 6 months, how will he feel when he is now the boss over the reserve? Grudges will happen even without the initial reaction of serving Gardai.

How about a Reserve Sergeant with 3 years service of 4 hours a week telling a 20 year+ fulltime Garda what to do?

dermot_sheehan

I think the answer is simple.

Give the probationary gardai full arrest powers, and have them outrank the reservist. That's the situation I believe in the UK, where a PC, no matter how many years of service, always outranks a SC (Special Constable), no matter how senior.

Trojan911

Karlitosway1978 wrote:

Trojan,
You fail to take into account the many many events that can take place and would leave these 2 together, a simple one being this....

There I would expect them both to use their common sense. If they can't do that then should they be doing the job they signed up to do.

Karlitosway1978 wrote:

How about a Reserve Sergeant with 3 years service of 4 hours a week telling a 20 year+ fulltime Garda what to do?

It wouldn't happen. Period.

TJ911...

hullaballoo

Oi oi, what's all this? I hope we're not going back to square one with you two!

padser

Trojan911 wrote:

There I would expect them both to use their common sense.

I suspect you will be sadly disappointed

DeVore

I'm quite interested in this as I've considered offering my services to the Reserves. However, its pointless putting me on the street on a beat, I could be of far greater use assisting in the technical areas or organisational areas. Its my understanding though that if you apply you dont get a choice and you will almost certainly end up on a beat.

Funnily enough I've helped our constabulary out a few times before...

DeV.

Eru

hullaballoo wrote:

Oi oi, what's all this? I hope we're not going back to square one with you two!

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Victor

Karlitosway1978 wrote:

How about a Reserve Sergeant with 3 years service of 4 hours a week telling a 20 year+ fulltime Garda what to do?

Apparently there won't be a "Reserve Sergeant", but there may be a senior rank in the reserve, which will be mostly administrative and likely drawn from retired full-timers.

20 year+ fulltime Garda

Isn't it an anomaly that one can stay in the same job for 20 years and not get promoted?

Eru

Victor wrote:

Apparently there won't be a "Reserve Sergeant", but there may be a senior rank in the reserve, which will be mostly administrative and likely drawn from retired full-timers.

Yeah but will there be strict guidelines about who has power? In the FCA reserves of rank can give orders to fulltime privates.

Victor wrote:

Isn't it an anomaly that one can stay in the same job for 20 years and not get promoted?

Not really, plenty of reasons for staying put, not wanting to move stations for family reasons, nice permanent job within the station, specific hours, etc etc. And then theres the obvious, after 17 years service you would be losing money by getting promoted.

personally I want specialist assignments but not promotion, if I wanted to sit in an office doing paperwork all day I would have stayed in my better paid previous job. I like getting out and about and into the community and chatting with people and dealing with the criminals.

padser

Victor wrote:

Isn't it an anomaly that one can stay in the same job for 20 years and not get promoted?

I would have said that promotion should be based on merit. In any field I would totaly oppose promoting someone purely on the basis that they have served a set amount of time.

Actually in certain jobs if you havnt been promoted within a cretain period you can not then be promoted (The army I think is one, dont think its the Irish one though, I think its the Brittish one. The rule is that if you havnt reached Rank X after so many years then you can only reach a certain rank). Makes sense, if someone has been a job for 10 years and not been promoted, clearly any promotion coming their way will be a recognition of time served rather then ability.

Victor

Exactly.

Our man in Havana

Karlitosway1978 wrote:

Not really, plenty of reasons for staying put, not wanting to move stations for family reasons, nice permanent job within the station, specific hours, etc etc. And then theres the obvious, after 17 years service you would be losing money by getting promoted.

In my job, it would be foolish for me to go for promotion as I would loose over €3k a year. Who would go for that. I can see where the Gardai are coming from.

1rishguy

Eru wrote: »

Yeah but will there be strict guidelines about who has power? In the FCA reserves of rank can give orders to fulltime privates.



Yes Technically an RDF Sgt can give a PDF Private an order but this does not happen due to common sense and respect plus a PDF per would just laugh. In terms of experience and years service the PDF per will outdo the RDF per.

FreudianSlippers

1rishguy wrote: »

Eru wrote: »

Yeah but will there be strict guidelines about who has power? In the FCA reserves of rank can give orders to fulltime privates.



Yes Technically an RDF Sgt can give a PDF Private an order but this does not happen due to common sense and respect plus a PDF per would just laugh. In terms of experience and years service the PDF per will outdo the RDF per.

Please don't resurrect zombie threads without contributing something new or asking a new question.

1rishguy

FreudianSlippers wrote: »

Please don't resurrect zombie threads without contributing something new or asking a new question.

Thats fine. Thanks Slippers.