Tournament hand

ionapaul

Hey tournament players! What to do in this situation.

7 levels into a multi-rebuy tournament, 1st level in the freezeout period, 90+ players remain. Blinds are 300/600, you have a stack of approx. 9k, maybe 1k less than the average.

Player A (UTG+1, experienced, maybe a tad loose, likes his Ace-Pictures a little too much) raises to 1800. You look down at KcQc and decide to flat call (not very good in retrospect I think). Player B (BB, loose player, experienced but I don't rate him at all) flat calls. Pot of 5700 (you have about 7k left)

Flop: Th 4h 4d. Both players check. They both have you covered. What do you do?

If it matters, the game is a satellite and will have an extremely flat payout structure, three or four tickets and preciously little else to win.

RoundTower

I don't like the call preflop at all. Whether you bluff now depends on what your opponents think of you, but in general bluffing loose players is a bad idea. Check and hope you have six outs.

Gholimoli

right first of all what is your postion?
second ,i dont like flat calling this with others left to act.
i may flat call this on the SB,BB or reraise it from button but certainly not flat calling it from early postion.
the reason is either another player can wake up after you with a reraise or they may decide to pull a move and the fact is your hand can not stand that kind of pressure.
post flop ,juct check along and fold to a bet unless you improve.
the pot here is 5700 which is pretty big.any kinda of half attempts you make at the pot is most liekly gonna get called simply cuz the odds are very good(if you bet anything less 2K the callers are getting almost 3:1 to call).
if you wanted to steal it you would have to make a big bet here which would be a good portion of your stack and you only have K high so thats not reallt ideal.
just check and fold and wait for a good spot.

ionapaul

Oops, forgot to give my position all right: I was button +1. The BB was a whole lot looser than the UTG+1 raiser.

5starpool

Well if you think there is a good chance the really loose guy will call you with nothing or fold to an all in then by all means go for it if you are willing to risk it on a bluff. If you are fairly sure that one guy is on A-picture but would likely call you, or else he could likely have a mid pair then hold back.

If you do play the likelyhood of them folding has to be much greater than the chance you will outdraw them, as if you are called you are behind. If you are called you are going to be getting about 1.75/1 in the pot with at best a 25% chance. If you think you have enough fold equity here then go for it, but this is a decision that has to be based on your opponents rather than just the situation.

Hitman Actual

I play this pretty much like Roundtower and Gholi: fold pre-flop to begin with, but if I was involved, I'd slow down when I miss. Your stack is a bit too tight to take a stab at the pot, and pushing looks like a steal.

ollyk1

ionapaul wrote:

Hey tournament players! What to do in this situation.

7 levels into a multi-rebuy tournament, 1st level in the freezeout period, 90+ players remain. Blinds are 300/600, you have a stack of approx. 9k, maybe 1k less than the average.

Player A (UTG+1, experienced, maybe a tad loose, likes his Ace-Pictures a little too much) raises to 1800. You look down at KcQc and decide to flat call (not very good in retrospect I think).

I can't express how much I hate this. Fold this piece of **** hand. Alternatively bluff and push it all-in but then I'd prefer to have live cards like 7s9s or 6d8d something good like.....;)

ionapaul wrote:

Player B (BB, loose player, experienced but I don't rate him at all) flat calls. Pot of 5700 (you have about 7k left)

Flop: Th 4h 4d. Both players check. They both have you covered. What do you do?

How much weakness do you sense Paul? Do you think a push will win 50+% of the time? What is the size of the loose players stacks? I prefer to check here (if I ever got here) and push if checked to on the turn. Loose players don't like having only one card to come

If it matters, the game is a satellite and will have an extremely flat payout structure, three or four tickets and preciously little else to win.

Still doesn't justify limping for 20% of your stack with KQ sooted!

ionapaul

I should have folded pre-flop alright. Next move should have been to push, as I honestly had the initial raiser (UTG+1) on AJ or something and think he would have been able to lay this down.

Post-flop, I really had a tough decision, I knew neither had a 4, and thought the BB would bet if he had a T. I knew I was behind UTG+1 but reasoned to myself that he would lay his cards down if he missed the flop completely. I had enough to play on with, but wanted to get motoring and convinced myself that this was a good spot to increase my stack with a bold move. Long story short, I thought any bet less than an all-in would be useless against these opponents, smiled and pushed.

Both went called with happiness. The BB had JTo for two pair and UTG+1 had TT for a monster house.

KQs and AQ have been costing me a lot of chip recently, I'm just not playing them properly. I probably should have folded pre-flop in the above situation, despite being favourite of the three holdings before the flop was dealt.