Question for you Poker Board surfers

RianANPoker

Opening Hand in a Tourney. I get KK in late position (about 8) I raise 5 times the blinds. Get called by BB. Flop comes q j 6. I raise 15% of my stack. Villian goes ALL -IN. I think... then fold.......Afterwards having played with the guy I realise I should have called . I don't know what he had but now I put him on A Q. My question to you is this! right move ? or wrong move?. Was a big buy in tourny btw.
I'd do the same fold again but who would have called and why? Believe it or not , this Villain (good word that as it keeps me from thinking or extreme swear words) knocked me out much later with a rag hand after I raised with a good one and went all in after the flop (AK) he hit 3 rd pair on the board and called. (a good call I suppose for him, I would not have made it though) .


Now no smart comments about how the format of my question is all over the place, see it from a guy earlier replying to some other chap, thought it was kinda rude. If you don't understand my post just ignore it.

5starpool

I folded KK to a lower (but in a way scarier for low set value) board last week in the 4th hand of a tourney with no info on my opponent. This is a marginal situation. Here I may well have called though as preflop you may be thinking he would have reraised with JJ/QQ preflop. To me this looks like AQ alright, possibly 66 which is the only hand that has you in trouble (unless he got fancy with AA).

I hate these situations with absolutely no information to go on about the opponent. Of course it would help to know how much 15% of your stack was in relation to the pot size.

Hectorjelly

this is how poker works in tournaments, raise with KK or AA. The flop comes up Q hi. You bet, QJo goes all in, you call. You win pot, make money and and are verrry big winner.

RianANPoker

Hectorjelly wrote:

this is how poker works in tournaments, raise with KK or AA. The flop comes up Q hi. You bet, QJo goes all in, you call. You win pot, make money and and are verrry big winner.

Well my questions was geared around it being the 1st hand and being ALL IN straight away. I don't know about you but I think in general KK is not exactly the nuts here. Maybe in this case. Thanks for the reply though I'll take it into consideration next time. :-) So I take it you would call reagrdless as that's how poker works.... If only it were that simple, I'd be champion of me cul de sac

Hectorjelly

RianANPoker wrote:

Well my questions was geared around it being the 1st hand and being ALL IN straight away. I don't know about you but I think in general KK is not exactly the nuts here. Maybe in this case. Thanks for the reply though I'll take it into consideration next time. :-) So I take it you would call reagrdless as that's how poker works.... If only it were that simple, I'd be champion of me cul de sac

you dont need the nuts to call all in, just a better hand than your opponent. There are times to fold overpairs, but this isnt one.

RianANPoker

Can't say I agree with you. he said to me when I showedKK that I would have walked, which if he was honest meant he had a set or two pair q and J. I think an ALL in 1st or 2nd hand is silly in a big buy in tournament. I wasn't prepared to call my entire stack on the 1st or 2nd hand simply becuase I overpaired the board. It's a call if my stack was bigger even by 30%, at least im still in it but placing my whole tournament on one call just because I beat the board is not wise for me. However you may well have called and doubled up. Intersting to see what people would have done. Next time agianst this player I'll call though. Agianst another unknown I'll fold.

Waylander

I'd have called in that spot every time, and I would not pay much attention to what he said after the hand. if you did not see his cards what he says is worth nothing.

sikes

if you are going to go deep in said tournment you are going to have to get your money in at a worse time than this. this is a call all the way. it should make no difference if its a big buy in or not. you will be miles ahead enough of the time.

connie147

This is a must call.With no reads on the opponent,the flop looks perfect for you.Im calling here without hesitation and hopefully doubling up.My guess is he had K-10 and pulled off a v.good semi bluff.Put it down to experience but it would take an extra-ordinary read or a much more dangerous flop to make me fold in the circumstances you outlined.

RianANPoker

RianANPoker wrote:

If only it were that simple, I'd be champion of me cul de sac

Take a bow, funniest thing i've read on here in ages.


BTW, I'd have folded here too as i'm a low stakes player and would fancy my chances better over the course of a tourney than an all-in pre-flop on the 1st hand

sikes

this is post flop, though preflop most would find it very difficult to lay it down too, if not impossible

Hitman Actual

Deleted User wrote:

BTW, I'd have folded here too as i'm a low stakes player and would fancy my chances better over the course of a tourney than an all-in pre-flop on the 1st hand

I dont understand the bit about being a low-stakes player. How does that affect your decision?

This a standard enough call, imo.

He said it was a high-fee entry. If i'm gonna splash out and play in a tourney that I normally wouldn't, I'd make sure i wasn't going out on the first hand.

sikes

Deleted User wrote:

He said it was a high-fee entry. If i'm gonna splash out and play in a tourney that I normally wouldn't, I'd make sure i wasn't going out on the first hand.

you shouldnt play in a game which the buyin affects the way you play.

phantom_lord

He said it was a high-fee entry. If i'm gonna splash out and play in a tourney that I normally wouldn't, I'd make sure i wasn't going out on the first hand.

if this was the first hand of the wsop yadda yadda yadda, or the five yoyos dit rebuy, I'd still call.

Suited Rockets

You should have called. It doesn't matter what the other player said if they didn't how their hand. He could have just been doing table image ... and likely was. And he doesn't know if he would have beat you or you him since you didn't see the turn or the river. When you're in a tournament, the blinds are ever rising and you have got to get chips when you can AND you have to take risks. Your situation was a low risk, as far as I would have viewed it.

Culchie

Well, having been an eye witness to this hand, I have to say it was by no means an auto-call in my opinion.

It all looks very straight-forward on paper, but the villain stuck them chips in without a care in the world and certainly looked extremely confident.
This hand happened inside the first 5 minutes or so.

After about 20 minutes we all realised that villain was a crazy mad man. He knocked the hero in this thread out later on with K5, after calling a large preflop raise and a post flop push on a 5 10 J board, having hit his 5.

He also called put me out calling a significant raise with J 8, again catching his 8 on a 9 high board, I had an overpair, he of course spiked his Jack on the turn after calling a full pot bet.....and I also believe he seen off Ollie Boy later on as well.

He finished 7th I believe overall.

JQ would be my guess (2 pair) for this hand.

a-k-47

instaaaaaaaa call...

e.g. ipt qualifier last nite..

Blinds 150/300. avg. stack at table 9k.
utg raises to 1,200, utg+1 loooooose player calls..

ive got Q,Q. i give utg credit as he seems a decent player. so i flat call and see a flop...

10, 7 x... utg leads out 2,200 +1 limps..

i think and push for another 4,5approx.
Utg thinks for ages and i know he has an over pair but folds... utg+1 calls

showdown
me q,q
+1 j,9! for a gutshot wtf.

Utg nearly throws up in his mouth. Folds K,K... gives me credit for set. ty..


dont be afraid of a 2 face board Rian, put them in son. if u can go out knowing u played well and got unlucky so be it, u mite knock put up the 2nd best hand u can get again, u need an big stack early in a tourny so gambollllll. btw was it a rebuy tourn?

careca

RianANPoker wrote:

Can't say I agree with you. he said to me when I showedKK that I would have walked, which if he was honest meant he had a set or two pair q and J. .

The fact that he said that would mean to me that you were ahead. Why did he just not show you his set or two pair. Miles ahead I reckon.

Hitman Actual

Culchie wrote:

JQ would be my guess (2 pair) for this hand.

Culchie, if most of the hands that he went all-in on the flop were one-pair hands, is it not more likely that that was all he had here? Not much use for OP as it was the first hand, of course.