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fuzzbox

The question is, what to do on the river.

Villain is a lag, a bigtime lag. He is quite strong, but certainly not afraid to gamble it up. He plays a lot of NLHE and is one of the stronger players there.

So - onto the hand

10/20 full ring plo

Stacks
I have 3.2k
Villain has 6.5k


Preflop
villain open limps utg, one more limper, hero makes it 75 to go with Ad Ks Jd 9s, both limpers call

Flop (255)
9d 4d 3s
villain leads for 180, limper folds, and I decide to call here. At this point its hard to fold top pair + kickers + nfd + position. I dont know what he needs to lead here, maybe not much, maybe two pair, maybe a set.

Turn (615)
As
Villain pauses, thinking, and checks. So, I have both nut flush draws, and top two pair. I bet the pot, villain quickly calls

River (1850)
7c
villain checks ... what do you do?

5starpool

Personally I would check behind. If he calls your pot bet on the turn then unless he was drawing he knows the river changes nothing. He would surely not have checked into you with 56 on the river?

Maybe he thinks you have turned a set of aces and he intends to bet any flush card (how good would that have been for you!!). This being the case he would not call a flop river bet anyhow.

Upshot is that unless he is convinced that you turned top set then he will call any bet as they draws missed, and there are sulery not too many hands that you make it 75 preflop with 56 in your hand.

Sorry, that is all a bit muddled, but I can't be arsed to edit it. I hope you get the gist, even though I am sure I am flawed somewhere in my thinking.

Bandana boy

So a worse hand is not going to call you here so a bet is a bluff right ?

Does a set call flop and turn and lay down river even a small set

I think check

Hectorjelly

I say check, but if it were me I probably would have misread my hand at some stage.

Lafortezza

What is Villain leading the flop with?
A set, a straight wrap, or just having a go since the flop likely missed Hero who has a fistful of Royalty.
On the turn Villain might be calling with set/wrap to see what the river brings.

When the wrap hits on the river, the flush draws miss and/or Villain's flopped set might still be good against Hero's hand, I check behind here.

RoundTower

I check, I can't tell what you would be trying to accomplish with a bet. I expect you have the best hand a lot of the time, but you don't want to be raised and you probably won't get called by a worse 2 pair.

fuzzbox

Ok - I figure that I wont win the hand if its shown down.
If I had to guess, I would figure that villain has a set.

So, do you try to push him off at the river?

cardshark202

I wouldn't. Its -EV and you'd probably get called

RoundTower

Most of the time no. But this depends so much on your image and the way the game has been playing, there isn't much point in asking it.

Ste05

fuzzbox wrote:

Ok - I figure that I wont win the hand if its shown down.
If I had to guess, I would figure that villain has a set.

So, do you try to push him off at the river?

If he'll believe you for AAxx... (EDIT: As RT says, it would depend on how the game had been going, so hard to say, what he'd believe you for) and I presume you'd play that hand the same way, (on the flop? ) in which case fire away...

P.S. I'm by no means a good PLO player, but interested to see if you'd play AAxx the same way on the flop as you did here...

RoundTower

well, I can't speak for fuzzbox but I would often call this flop with for example AA+nut diamonds or AA5. Sometimes raise, sometimes call.

loosecannon

fuzzbox wrote:

9d 4d 3s
villain leads for 180, limper folds, and I decide to call here. At this point its hard to fold top pair + kickers + nfd + position.

surely by this logic, where as u are calling with one of your major factors behind calling being your position that you should use it...

if you want to push him off bottom set i think that it is a push, the overbet may lead the better player into deciding he's beat, but personally i always check here even if it is the boring and not brave play...

u've played the hand perfectly, now check it down and see if u take it down!

fuzzbox

I chickened out and checked, he had K442, for the win.

His pause and check when the Ace hit led me to believe he thought that I could well have AA, but his check/call on the turn then surprised me. I am not sure what number I would have to bet on the river to secure a fold, and this sorta dissuaded me from betting.
Perhaps it would have been worth a 1200 bet.

Ho hum.

careca

fuzzbox wrote:

I chickened out and checked, he had K442, for the win.

His pause and check when the Ace hit led me to believe he thought that I could well have AA, but his check/call on the turn then surprised me. I am not sure what number I would have to bet on the river to secure a fold, and this sorta dissuaded me from betting.
Perhaps it would have been worth a 1200 bet.

Ho hum.

Nice preflop call by him.

Its pointless when we don't know what would have happened but I reckon he would have called any bet on the river if he called the turn bet, especially when the flush didn't hit.