Tournament: Badly played Aces?

Hitman Actual

Blinds 150/300, my stack is 13K. Villain is a good solid player, well capable of mixing it up (Robbie from Vegas Nights team), and is in MP with approx 8K.

I have AA in BB. Three limpers, villain, button and SB. I re-raise to 1000 total (comments). Villain and button call, SB folds (Pot = 3300).

Flop = JJ4r. I bet 1500, villain calls, button folds (pot = 6300).

Turn = 9s. Check, check.

River = 6d (no flush possible), I bet 2K, Villain moves in for 3750 more (Pot = 7050).

Call or fold?

Edit: Only read is that villain appears confident.

RoundTower

I would probably make it slightly more preflop, although you did get 1/8 of villain's stack in. I like your play on the other streets. I don't know what hand a good player is limping here and then calling a raise with, so it's hard to put him on any hand here. Could he really play KJ like this preflop? If so he's probably not as good as you think.

I would call the river. I expect you see 88,TT or a bluff here often enough to make the call profitable. After all, you haven't shown any real strength in the hand.

a-k-47

Pre flop - 1800
Flop - ok
Turn - ok
River - check/ call

califano

Robbies one of the better live players ive seen. Although he bluffs a lot maybe too much he has many moves and he bets his good hands strong too. He WILL make this move with no pair if he thinks you raised with AK and your check on the turn may have helped put this in his mind. I could well believe he has QJ though!.

I'd have have raised the flop more and i would have bet turn not check it with a pair on the board. Betting this turn helps you find out more.

Hitman Actual

On the pre-flop raise, I think I actually made it 1000 more, not total (I doubt I would make it 700 more at 150/300). This also makes it a bigger final pot, so I would be getting better odds to call on the end. I think 1800 is too big here, AK47. I want action, and I'd like to play it heads up, although 3-handed is fine as well (which is what I got).

I doubt villain calls with KJ pre-flop. For hands containing a J, JT is most likely, then QJ, then maybe J9. I dont think 44 calls the pre-flop raise. 99 is possible, especially if villain puts me on a missed AK/AQ, and hopes to get to a cheap showdown (It's not a bad flop for 99). TT+ would have raised pre-flop, I think. So I'm not beating a hell of a lot (only 88/77, or a pure bluff, I'd say).

Villain probably puts me on TT+, and AK/AQ.

Gholimoli

as it was suggested:
deffo raise more pre flop as your giving the limpers great odds to call.after one of them calls then the other one is getting even better odds to call.then you will have to play against two players out of position which is not really ideal.
also becasue your out of position for the remainder of the hand you will need to charge them more to sort of compensate for this disadvantage you have.(you wanna play your hand against me with good position,then pay more).
post flop the bet is fine but on the turn and river i would just check call.
your either miles ahead or miles behind so i think the best line here would be to check call bets .

ntlbell

I really like how Robbie plays, he could have anything here.

As stated raise more PF

I call.

NickyOD

I think you have more to gain from checking river card. The way you played it though I would fold and expect the viallain to have 99.

Hitman Actual

NickyOD wrote:

I think you have more to gain from checking river card. The way you played it though I would fold and expect the viallain to have 99.

Yeah, I'm not sure what I was trying to achieve with the river bet. If I check he probably makes a non-all-in bet which I can call and at least get a showdown (is this the correct thinking?). If he moves all-in it's still a very hard call though. As can be seen, my post-flop play needs a lot of work.

Regarding the pre-flop raise, I really dont want to make it too big. I'm sure everyone is limping with marginal hands, and I dont want to just pick up the blind/limper money. If I get in trouble, so be it. But I know where everyone is coming from here about the raise size.

Anyway, I folded after a lot of pain. He said later that he had J9 which filled up on the turn. Could be a lie, of course, but I dont think so.

Gholimoli

lenny_leonard wrote:

Yeah, I'm not sure what I was trying to achieve with the river bet. If I check he probably makes a non-all-in bet which I can call and at least get a showdown (is this the correct thinking?). If he moves all-in it's still a very hard call though. As can be seen, my post-flop play needs a lot of work.

Regarding the pre-flop raise, I really dont want to make it too big. I'm sure everyone is limping with marginal hands, and I dont want to just pick up the blind/limper money. If I get in trouble, so be it. But I know where everyone is coming from here about the raise size.

Anyway, I folded after a lot of pain. He said later that he had J9 which filled up on the turn. Could be a lie, of course, but I dont think so.

some times you correct here to bet on the river to stop a bluff.sort of a blocking bet,you make a bet and villain would think twice before bluffing wheras if you checked he may well bluff at it.however if you make this bet and the villain then comes over the top his generally not bluffing.

sikes

how did you get on in the end lenny? i had a similar problem with aces, i wasnt able to get away from them. i would post the hand but i know it was a rookie mistake!!

i think your preflop raise is fine as you say a hand like this you dont want to discourage players.

Hitman Actual

sikes wrote:

how did you get on in the end lenny? i had a similar problem with aces, i wasnt able to get away from them. i would post the hand but i know it was a rookie mistake!!

i think your preflop raise is fine as you say a hand like this you dont want to discourage players.

Hi sikes, finished 8th in the end. Report in my blog if you're interested. I just cant seem to make any impact at the final table once I get there.

5starpool

lenny_leonard wrote:

Hi sikes, finished 8th in the end. Report in my blog if you're interested. I just cant seem to make any impact at the final table once I get there.

Unlucky Derek, you will get one soon no doubt. I seem to have a similiar problem once down to the business end of a tournament.