Ditch Kickboxing for MMA ??

easyontheeye

hi,

I have started kickboxing and im really liking it, its a more streetwise form of defense, but im wondering is there another discipline that would be even more streetwise like MMA? Should i ditch the kickboxing or go for MMA?

FX Meister

MMA is way more steetwise. It will also make you look cooler when chillin in da ghetto homey.

easyontheeye

well its not about being cool, im just looking for something thats more practical, without the breathing and rituals, you get me.

Valmont

easyontheeye wrote:

well its not about being cool, im just looking for something thats more practical, without the breathing and rituals, you get me.

I was in the exact same situation last year, I was doing kickboxing and we had all of these 'ritual' type things, meditation and the like.

For me switching to MMA was a great decision, I haven't looked back and it really is practical SD, if that is what you're looking for.

easyontheeye

Hi Valmont,

what club do you train in? is Fianna a good one for beginners?

fatal

make the switch..i have a friend who was in the same boat as you and he made the switch and LOVED mma even more than he used to kick boxing....

Valmont

easyontheeye wrote:

Hi Valmont,

what club do you train in?

I train at NextGeneration in Loughlinstown leisure centre. Tuesday at 9 and Wednesday at 7 are the best classes if you are a beginner. We do a great MMA class on thursday at 9.15.

We have lots of really good guys who are great help in learning the basics.

I suppose it's down to where you are travelling from, there are plenty of clubs in the greater Dublin area!

Darkwarrior

easyontheeye wrote:

Hi Valmont,

what club do you train in? is Fianna a good one for beginners?

Howya, Fianna is a great gym for beginners, especially since we got a truck load of new guys recently who are all at the same level as you!

I presume you've seen the website if not go there now!!!

www.fiannagym.com

All class times and information are on there for ya, and some cool vids of head coaches Pearse Stokes and Owen Drummond showing a few of the many different training excercises we use in MMA.

Yer more than welcome to drop down on monday, introduce yourself and we'll get ya started:D

pma-ire

If you want to train for self defence then a well rounded combative class would be better??

Maybe someone based in Dublin could give you an address close to you??

Roper

If you want to learn real world mad skillz I'd go see those Fianna boys.

kerinsp

do it fella, just go along to any of the mma classes and try it out. You have nothing to lose. the ground work and submiission stuff is very different to the stand up you are used to but its addictive. I am not long at it and I left a kickboxing place too.

Darkwarrior

Roper wrote:

If you want to learn real world mad skillz I'd go see those Fianna boys.

Respect!

Roper knows what's goin' on - Whuuuut!!!:D

Baggio...

Depends what you are after in my opinion, I really don't like the competition side of things so I stick to Combatives (I'm only interested in self-protection).

MMA is really great for that “all round toughness and skill”. It's great for competition fighting and fitness etc. Is is the best for the “street”? I don't think so personally. It's great training if you add, and understand certain combative/RBSD principles. Although my first option would always be Combatives for self-protection. MMA is better suited for Match Fighting as opposed to the typical “street ambushes” that occur. Again, I'm not saying that it does not produce some really tough guys - it does. If you want to go into tournaments, but still want some self-protection – fair enough... Just get your hands on some RBSD material, and then work it into your MMA training. But why work to competition rules, and ignore the psychological effects of real combat. And then also limit the strikes you can use - gouging, etc. (Of course an MMA guy can use dirty shots on the street, but if you don't train them constantly, they will be less accessible when the time arises). If you want pure “self-protection” get yourself to a Combatives group. Just my opinion...

B.

Clive

Baggio... wrote:

But why work to competition rules, and ignore the psychological effects of real combat. And then also limit the strikes you can use - gouging, etc. (Of course an MMA guy can use dirty shots on the street, but if you don't train them constantly, they will be less accessible when the time arises).

I have to say, I don't normallly get into STREET vs MMA arguments, but I've been in 3 MMA matches and a few more (but not many) STREET "altercations" and every MMA encounter has been far more stressful (granted I'm not someone who gets particularly stressed) and demanding psychologically than anything I've encountered on the mean streets of Dublin. Just my experience.

Drummo

Darkwarrior wrote:

Howya, Fianna is a great gym for beginners, especially since we got a truck load of new guys recently who are all at the same level as you!

I presume you've seen the website if not go there now!!!

www.fiannagym.com

All class times and information are on there for ya, and some cool vids of head coaches Pearse Stokes and Owen Drummond showing a few of the many different training excercises we use in MMA.

Yer more than welcome to drop down on monday, introduce yourself and we'll get ya started:D

Just want to straighten something out here. I am NOT a coach!!!

Baggio...

Clive,

You find an MMA competition more stressful than a street altercation?? Okay... That's one of the weirdest comments I've ever heard . It leads me to the conclusion that you have never had a proper scrap, where someone wants to really damage you (I hope it never happens to you). When I was 21 I had the crap knocked out of me be 5 dudes, then one came back and dished out some more. It was very different from a “competition” I can assure you. And looking back they could of easily killed me if that's what they wanted. Really they were just playing around – I was very lucky.

See what happens when you add a knife, and about 4 mates to the equation. (don't forget real the intent). Personally I'd rather be in the ring – you can quit anytime.

PS - My argument is not a MMA vs Combatives thing by the way.

FiannaGym.com

Drummo wrote:

Just want to straighten something out here. I am NOT a coach!!!

So whats with you strutting around, bat in hand cracking the legs off anyone who can't keep up wit your "tempo... tempo... tempo... tempo..."?

Roper wrote:

If you want to learn real world mad skillz I'd go see those Fianna boys.

Thaks for the props my man

Peace

Roper

Yes Clive,
Your experience having done both MMA and STREET is totally invalid because your STREET wasn't the MEAN STREET! Christ where does it end!

Baggio, I got a hiding about 10 years ago off about 5 or 6 lads who did a bit of damage, I was lucky enough to stand up and limp home afterwards. If I was still obsessing about it now, and what I mean by that is that if I was to tailor my training around not having a repeat of the incident, then it would mean that I was still carrying the baggage of that incident with me. As it was, I was nervy walking around for a while, then I got over it and I went back to normal, happy that a) It was a one off and b) a good portion of the blame was because of my big mouth.
My point? Some people's STREET is obviously MEANER than others because they percieve it that way, not because it is that way.

Respect always,
Barry

Baggio...

That sounds familiar...It was my big mouth that got me into trouble also, if I had ignored them I would have been fine. Great learning experience....

I see your point... But please don't think that I'm a walking bag of nerves. When I worked on the door some years later I became very immune to fear (which is a bad thing really, looking back at it).

I just don't think a correlation should be so easily made with a competition and street attack. But that's just me...

Cheers,

B.

PS – it never ends!;)

FiannaGym.com

"There's a buttload of sweet gangs at this school"

"here a Rex-Kwon-do we use the buddy system.... NO MORE FLYING SOLO!"

Gangs smangs

Peace

Clive

Baggio... wrote:

Clive,

You find an MMA competition more stressful than a street altercation?? Okay... That's one of the weirdest comments I've ever heard . It leads me to the conclusion that you have never had a proper scrap, where someone wants to really damage you (I hope it never happens to you). When I was 21 I had the crap knocked out of me be 5 dudes, then one came back and dished out some more. It was very different from a “competition” I can assure you. And looking back they could of easily killed me if that's what they wanted. Really they were just playing around – I was very lucky.

See what happens when you add a knife, and about 4 mates to the equation. (don't forget real the intent). Personally I'd rather be in the ring – you can quit anytime.

PS - My argument is not a MMA vs Combatives thing by the way.

Apples and oranges. Obviously getting the crap kicked out of you by five people is more stressful and damaging than a match, but (again, in my experience) the vast majority if "street altercations" involve a few scummers swinging a few digs at you, some D4 rugger-bugger named Quintin who's ready to "kick orff, roish" because women prefer you to his upturned-collar charmless patter, or lads with too many beers who haven't scored getting into a pushy shovey match.

And for what it's worth I have had a HIV+ junkie pull a knife on me (do I get a STREET merit badge?) and believe me, it was far less worrying than a highly trained fighter who has spent the last six weeks training and dreaming about beating you into a living death, or dragging you backwards through a garden of pain before sending you to sleep.

Baggio...

Fair enough...Agree to disagree I guess...
Can't say I'd be to bothered in a ring to be honest (not that I consider myself ring worthy). On the other hand, if some one pulled a knife on me and had the intent to use it, I'd be pretty darn scared (although I did have one pulled on me when I was 17, but they were only messing about when I look back at it now).

For your street alteration you get a gold star, and a mars bar. Enjoy!
Oh, and don't forget to pat 'yerself on the back.

FiannaGym.com

I find the ring so much more stressful. Similarly, after being in the ring, I find the street even less stressful than before.

Basically, for 5 weeks before a fight your body is preparing for the ultiamte rush, humans have evolved specifically to respond to combat like this. THe emotional roller coaster that you dont have time to have on the street is intense before the fight.

Baggio,
If you dont consider yourself "ring worthy" and the street is so much worse than the Ring, how are you street worthy? Or do you not consider yourself street worth? (not getting at you just asking fo real my man)

Beat you into a living death! Peace

Dragan

Baggio... wrote:

Fair enough...Agree to disagree I guess...
Can't say I'd be to bothered in a ring to be honest (not that I consider myself ring worthy). On the other hand, if some one pulled a knife on me and had the intent to use it, I'd be pretty darn scared

You confusing the issues i think. The stress of a fight prep and the "fear" on the street are two very different things. Get ready for any major event, particularly a figth , where you DO have some trying to hurt you is a hugely stressful thing. You have nothing but time to think about it, you have nothing but time to tell yourself your weak, unskilled and will lose.

Nobody walks up to you on the street and says " in 8 weeks i will attack you with a knife, go worry about it, try and train for it and stress over it". It just happens, then it's over, one way or the other.

And i have been in a "proper scrap". Does make my opinion count more???

Colm_OReilly

Baggio, have you competed in any sort of FC event - boxing, kickboxe, Muay Thai, MMA?

It appears Clive has experienced both nad has given his opinion, have you?

paddyc

whos been reading the ROCK books:D

some D4 rugger-bugger named Quintin who's ready to "kick orff, roish" because women prefer you to his upturned-collar charmless patter, or lads with too many beers who haven't scored getting into a pushy shovey match.

paddy

maccavelli

"Can't say I'd be to bothered in a ring to be honest (not that I consider myself ring worthy)."

Really i tend to cak myself and i have a bit of experience. Never been in a street fight as im a nice guy and dont hang out with people or in places where this is the norm. Oh and i dont like assaulting people unlesss someone pays me.