calling all cash experts,question re playing style?

Gholimoli

ive been playing 3/6 6 max cah games on tribeca recently.
now i know this is over my head but trust me some total donkeys play here and i only play at this level when i find a few of them.
anyways there is a regular there by the name of "tymuppet".i heard that he was by far the best player on tribeca on 3/6 level.
i was listening to him talk and accourding to him he has made a few mil in the past 3 years.
im sure for any one who plays at this level on tribeca u must have seen him but for thoes who dont know this is how he plays an acourding to him he has never had a loosing week in 3 years:
he raises every pot he enters to between 21-30 .
mostley he dosent get called but if he gets called he checks the flop.
depending on what happens he either folds to a bet or reraises if he senses weakness or he may float you to take the pot on you on a alter street.
he plays any two cards at all and he would call a raise with any two cards as well.
he some times reraises you with anything in postion as well and again will evaluate his postion post flop depending on the texture of the flop.
now his style is very intemidating to play against.he does fold quit often post flop depending on the size of the bet and the flop which makes it possible to take pots from him with nothing as well.
im just wondering is it good to try and develop a similar system and is it pofitable in the long run.
also does any one here play like this successfully.

ianmc38

Gholimoli wrote:

ive been playing 3/6 6 max cah games on tribeca recently.
now i know this is over my head but trust me some total donkeys play here and i only play at this level when i find a few of them.

Table selection at those levels is essential. I'll only ever sit with 4 or 5 players who I know. Too many sharks like HJ floating around there.

Gholimoli wrote:

anyways there is a regular there by the name of "tymuppet".i heard that he was by far the best player on tribeca on 3/6 level.
i was listening to him talk and accourding to him he has made a few mil in the past 3 years.

I'm skeptical about that claim. i've certainly played against him a few times, but I can't remember much about him. HJ may be able to shed more light.

Gholimoli wrote:

im sure for any one who plays at this level on tribeca u must have seen him but for thoes who dont know this is how he plays an acourding to him he has never had a loosing week in 3 years:

Again. i'm unsure about this claim. Even the very best cash game players have encountered losing weeks.

Gholimoli wrote:

he raises every pot he enters to between 21-30 .

Fine.

Gholimoli wrote:

mostley he dosent get called but if he gets called he checks the flop.
depending on what happens he either folds to a bet or reraises if he senses weakness or he may float you to take the pot on you on a alter street.

Not sure fi thats optimal play. Whether I check the flop would depend on the texture and the villain. To say he checks no matter what is bad.

Gholimoli wrote:

he plays any two cards at all and he would call a raise with any two cards as well.
he some times reraises you with anything in postion as well and again will evaluate his postion post flop depending on the texture of the flop.

I'll often do this. Again though, depends on the opponents. I'm not going to raise a rock from the button with 23o. But i'll often reraise from the button with suited connectors and the likes. I'll open raise nearly any two from the button as well.

Gholimoli wrote:

now his style is very intemidating to play against.he does fold quit often post flop depending on the size of the bet and the flop which makes it possible to take pots from him with nothing as well.
im just wondering is it good to try and develop a similar system and is it pofitable in the long run.
also does any one here play like this successfully.

Hmm. I doubt this guys credentials tbh. I dont think he'd be sharing a winning formula too openly.

Edit: I'm also by no means a cash game expert or anything close to it.

Ollieboy

Hi Gholi,

I play mostly 3/6 on tribece and find the level of game fine, so dont worry about been out of your dept, just make sure you have a good bankroll.

In relation to this playing style, I see a lot of players play like this, but there next move always depends on the flop and if they check the flop you know its hit them and if they bet, your nearly sure they've missed. You also get the check raise a lot and if you call, they usually check the turn and let it go there, so I'm sure its profitable, but I think they only play this way 25% of the time and not all the time.

I've loss my stack loads of times to this type of player do, when I've a big hand preflop and they hit a gunshot straight or any type of straight or 2 pair etc.

Would like to see what other people think.

Ollie

Samba

This style of play can be profitable however you will see big swings.

In omaha i would vary my play between the rock and using these very tactics, it can be extremely profitable.

However big swings are an invevitability if you choose to adopt these tactics, you also need to grow thick skin.

Hectorjelly

Im not sure how I feel about this thread. I have played a tonne with the player in question and basically know his game inside out. Im not sure how I feel about posting a how to beat him guide. Those facts that he stated are 100% untrue, there is no way he has made 3 million in the last few years.

Basically he plays like a hyper lag most of the time, and he turns what should be a unprofitably and stupidly loose strategy into a winning one because it causes his opponents to make huge mistakes constantly against him. Against a player like this dont ever try and take him off a hand, if he calls a bet on a drawless board he has a piece of it and is probably not folding. Players get so annoyed with him that they are constantly bluffing him, so he makes a lot of money by calling people down. Dont give him free cards, and be carefull not to underestimate the strength of his hands. If he reraises you preflop he probably has AA KK. If he min raises the flop he has a set. You need to take advantage of the MASSIVE preflop mistakes he makes. Ive seen him put in $200 of a $600 stack with 23s.This is a perfect player to limp reraise constantly. And dont be afraid to make very thin value bets against him - there isnt much need for deception.

[Apr 28 02:47:34] : Hand Start.
[Apr 28 02:47:34] : Seat 1 : LuckyLoosie has $294.52
[Apr 28 02:47:34] : Seat 2 : vicvega has $494
[Apr 28 02:47:34] : Seat 3 : buck i has $32
[Apr 28 02:47:34] : Seat 4 : kojack2571 has $101
[Apr 28 02:47:34] : Seat 5 : tymuppet has $1,166.99
[Apr 28 02:47:34] : Seat 6 : Hectorjelly has $1,078.50
[Apr 28 02:47:34] : buck i is the dealer.
[Apr 28 02:47:34] : kojack2571 posted small blind.
[Apr 28 02:47:35] : tymuppet posted big blind.
[Apr 28 02:47:35] : Game [15771] started with 6 players.
[Apr 28 02:47:35] : Dealing Hole Cards.
[Apr 28 02:47:35] : Seat 6 : Hectorjelly has Ks Kh
[Apr 28 02:47:38] : Hectorjelly called $6 and raised $24
[Apr 28 02:47:39] : LuckyLoosie folded.
[Apr 28 02:47:40] : vicvega folded.
[Apr 28 02:47:41] : buck i folded.
[Apr 28 02:47:42] : kojack2571 folded.
[Apr 28 02:47:43] : tymuppet called $24
[Apr 28 02:47:44] : Dealing flop.
[Apr 28 02:47:44] : Board cards [7s Kd Ac]
[Apr 28 02:47:45] : tymuppet checked.
[Apr 28 02:47:47] : Hectorjelly bet $48
[Apr 28 02:48:20] : tymuppet called $48
[Apr 28 02:48:21] : Dealing turn.
[Apr 28 02:48:21] : Board cards [7s Kd Ac 3s]
[Apr 28 02:48:22] : tymuppet checked.
[Apr 28 02:48:26] : Hectorjelly bet $150
[Apr 28 02:48:27] : tymuppet called $150
[Apr 28 02:48:27] : Dealing river.
[Apr 28 02:48:27] : Board cards [7s Kd Ac 3s 8d]
[Apr 28 02:48:28] : tymuppet checked.
[Apr 28 02:48:32] : Hectorjelly bet $400
[Apr 28 02:48:33] : tymuppet called $400
[Apr 28 02:48:34] : Showdown!
[Apr 28 02:48:34] : Seat 6 : Hectorjelly has Ks Kh
[Apr 28 02:48:36] : Seat 6 : Hectorjelly has Ks Kh
[Apr 28 02:48:36] : Hectorjelly has 3 of a Kind: Kings
[Apr 28 02:48:36] : Hectorjelly wins $1,256 with 3 of a Kind: Kings
[Apr 28 02:48:44] : Hand is over.

I could post many many hands I misplayed against him whilst I was getting used to him.

Gholimoli

Hectorjelly wrote:

Im not sure how I feel about this thread. I have played a tonne with the player in question and basically know his game inside out. Im not sure how I feel about posting a how to beat him guide. Those facts that he stated are 100% untrue, there is no way he has made 3 million in the last few years.

Basically he plays like a hyper lag most of the time, and he turns what should be a unprofitably and stupidly loose strategy into a winning one because it causes his opponents to make huge mistakes constantly against him. Against a player like this dont ever try and take him off a hand, if he calls a bet on a drawless board he has a piece of it and is probably not folding. Players get so annoyed with him that they are constantly bluffing him, so he makes a lot of money by calling people down. Dont give him free cards, and be carefull not to underestimate the strength of his hands. If he reraises you preflop he probably has AA KK. If he min raises the flop he has a set. You need to take advantage of the MASSIVE preflop mistakes he makes. Ive seen him put in $200 of a $600 stack with 23s.This is a perfect player to limp reraise constantly. And dont be afraid to make very thin value bets against him - there isnt much need for deception.

[Apr 28 02:47:34] : Hand Start.
[Apr 28 02:47:34] : Seat 1 : LuckyLoosie has $294.52
[Apr 28 02:47:34] : Seat 2 : vicvega has $494
[Apr 28 02:47:34] : Seat 3 : buck i has $32
[Apr 28 02:47:34] : Seat 4 : kojack2571 has $101
[Apr 28 02:47:34] : Seat 5 : tymuppet has $1,166.99
[Apr 28 02:47:34] : Seat 6 : Hectorjelly has $1,078.50
[Apr 28 02:47:34] : buck i is the dealer.
[Apr 28 02:47:34] : kojack2571 posted small blind.
[Apr 28 02:47:35] : tymuppet posted big blind.
[Apr 28 02:47:35] : Game [15771] started with 6 players.
[Apr 28 02:47:35] : Dealing Hole Cards.
[Apr 28 02:47:35] : Seat 6 : Hectorjelly has Ks Kh
[Apr 28 02:47:38] : Hectorjelly called $6 and raised $24
[Apr 28 02:47:39] : LuckyLoosie folded.
[Apr 28 02:47:40] : vicvega folded.
[Apr 28 02:47:41] : buck i folded.
[Apr 28 02:47:42] : kojack2571 folded.
[Apr 28 02:47:43] : tymuppet called $24
[Apr 28 02:47:44] : Dealing flop.
[Apr 28 02:47:44] : Board cards [7s Kd Ac]
[Apr 28 02:47:45] : tymuppet checked.
[Apr 28 02:47:47] : Hectorjelly bet $48
[Apr 28 02:48:20] : tymuppet called $48
[Apr 28 02:48:21] : Dealing turn.
[Apr 28 02:48:21] : Board cards [7s Kd Ac 3s]
[Apr 28 02:48:22] : tymuppet checked.
[Apr 28 02:48:26] : Hectorjelly bet $150
[Apr 28 02:48:27] : tymuppet called $150
[Apr 28 02:48:27] : Dealing river.
[Apr 28 02:48:27] : Board cards [7s Kd Ac 3s 8d]
[Apr 28 02:48:28] : tymuppet checked.
[Apr 28 02:48:32] : Hectorjelly bet $400
[Apr 28 02:48:33] : tymuppet called $400
[Apr 28 02:48:34] : Showdown!
[Apr 28 02:48:34] : Seat 6 : Hectorjelly has Ks Kh
[Apr 28 02:48:36] : Seat 6 : Hectorjelly has Ks Kh
[Apr 28 02:48:36] : Hectorjelly has 3 of a Kind: Kings
[Apr 28 02:48:36] : Hectorjelly wins $1,256 with 3 of a Kind: Kings
[Apr 28 02:48:44] : Hand is over.

I could post many many hands I misplayed against him whilst I was getting used to him.

my strategy against him was as follows:
when he had postion on me i started by limping with big hands(big pairs and AK) and then reraising him when he raised.
well he almost folded every time and i just got his raise.
then i noticed this and i started limping with trash and when he raised i reraised him and he folded.
when i had position on him i would call his raises with a wide range and if it was only the two us i would bet on the flop if he checked and he would fold more often than not.
if he didnt fold he would flat call the bet and check to me on the turn agian which gave me a free river.
so even though i dont know if my system of playing against him is correct in the long run it has kinda of worked in the short run.
so what do ppl think of this?

Hectorjelly

Gholimoli wrote:

my strategy against him was as follows:
when he had postion on me i started by limping with big hands(big pairs and AK) and then reraising him when he raised.
well he almost folded every time and i just got his raise.
then i noticed this and i started limping with trash and when he raised i reraised him and he folded.
when i had position on him i would call his raises with a wide range and if it was only the two us i would bet on the flop if he checked and he would fold more often than not.
if he didnt fold he would flat call the bet and check to me on the turn agian which gave me a free river.
so even though i dont know if my system of playing against him is correct in the long run it has kinda of worked in the short run.
so what do ppl think of this?

if its working its working, your limp reraising strategy is perfect, and you can keep doing it until a hand gets showndown. Then you switch back to real hands etc. I would just open raise AA KK now as you seem likely to get more action that way - (assumint thats what you want!)

Another alternative is to play at different tables to him!

Gholimoli

Hectorjelly wrote:

if its working its working, your limp reraising strategy is perfect, and you can keep doing it until a hand gets showndown. Then you switch back to real hands etc. I would just open raise AA KK now as you seem likely to get more action that way - (assumint thats what you want!)

Another alternative is to play at different tables to him!

well to be honest my question was really can you make "a few mil" in 3 years and "not have a loosing week" with this strategy .
i could see the impct his style had on the table and was wondering if its worth mastering .a few mil is certainkly alot of money .

FastMachine

He must have been trying to wind someone up, there's no way he's made a few million in the last few years. He was on .50/1 back when I was playing it about 8 months ago. He's after getting much much better, but it's not that long since he was a fish, I had him on my buddy list. I heard sollia saying the same thing, he had him on his buddy list too a while back but that he's after getting his game together now. The guy used to be just a plain maniac giving it away. Now he's after figuring how out where and when to bluff effectively and it's making him money. He's got great hand reading skills which is a must for this style.

I experimented with that kind of very lag style for two weeks recently and had some success but it's very swingy. On an average day, you could easily have a 5 buying downswing and then go on to make a profit.
There's two methods I use to play against this type of player.
1. Call his raises with pocket pairs looking for the set, or in position call with AK/AQ. You'll waste alot of money calling with other hands as he'll constantly push you off when you don't hit hard enough. This can be a bit boring though, and there is money to be made off this type of player so you should be getting into hands with him.
2. Up your aggression level and play back at him, raising with a wider range than you do preflop. Realise that you are now on a very loose table. This is the preferred option.

The worst thing to do is what lots of his opponents are doing and how he makes his money. Flat calling with medium strength hands and constantly getting pushed off and then eventually calling off their stack when he makes a big hand, often well disguised due to his wide raising range.

FastMachine

Lol, just seen "not have a losing week" :D:D

ianmc38

Just looked at some logfiles there. He was playing 1/2 in November/December...

Gholimoli

ok so ive playing with him for the past 3 hours nearly and got about 2k from him.
the first 400 i got very lucky and i sucked out on him.
i had JTs and i limped.
he raised as usuall making it 30 and i made it 120.
he flat calls.
flop case J high and i checked.he bets 100 and i go all in for another 200.
he has QQ but i got a T on the river.

the next hand i have about 1500 and he he has 1700.
i limp with 64s (i took a along time before limping making it look like im wondering whether to raise or limp).folded to him on the BB who makes it 30.
i make it 100 and he just calls.
flop comes T 6 4 .
he bets 100 .
i make it 300.
he makes it 600 .
i go all in and he calls showing QQ.
i get another 6 on the river and woohoo.
now what do experts think of the play.
not the first hand as i know i got lucky but the second hand.
i know i only had buttom two pair but was i right to put it all in against this player or not?

ntlbell

Gholimoli wrote:

ok so ive playing with him for the past 3 hours nearly and got about 2k from him.

Think that's his son you've been playing the last few hours.

Gholimoli

ntlbell wrote:

Think that's his son you've been playing the last few hours.

how do you know.
it would make sence cuz he was not sharp as usual and he was paying off alot when he usually dosent.

ntlbell

Gholimoli wrote:

how do you know.
it would make sence cuz he was not sharp as usual and he was paying off alot when he usually dosent.

You answered your own question.

His son tries to play like his dad, but after a few rounds you can usually tell who's at the wheel.