Cooperation

Niall Keane

Nice to see people stop bitchin and downing different arts, but comming together to put on what I'd imagion would be a seriously interesting show.......but is it just California dreaming?

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Unpossible

Will they fighters be fighting other arts or just their own. eg Boxer vs MMAer

Niall Keane

No, that would be simply MMA. My point is that these lads have matured past style V. style / my dad is bigger than your dad rubbish. Most of the organizers and fighters have fought themselves in various formats and realise the valuable martial skills to be learned and acquired through competing in each art.
Having said that, and for that reason, in past events a lot of the san shou fighters have entered into the Thai and a lot of the Thai Boxers have entered the sanshou. Just like much of mainland Europe. MMA comps are new to California but here they too have joined the card along with BJJ. Boxing had always been at these comps in the past.
My point is that it is good to see people stop trying to orchestrate competitions that suit their own disciplines in order to create a marketing situation where they claim to be the ultimate art, each system does this, sanshou won’t allow elbows to the face, Thai won’t allow throws, most mma will allow ground but no remaining on ones feet and striking an opponent on the ground, i.e. forcing the striker to the ground.
Take Boxing; there is simply no better art for upper body defence and offence. Is this surprising? Well, I practice Sanshou, so I concentrate on Kicks, Punches and Throws. I train average 19 hours a week, now suppose I had a twin that trained Boxing 19 hours a week, if I’m dividing my time 3 ways, i.e. 6.20 hrs on each element, he’s going to have 3 times the boxing experience that I have. Who’ll be the better boxer?
Brings to mind an old Chinese proverb: “100 blades! None of them sharp!”
Recently there has been a thread MMA versus Street Fighter. We see what happens to a hard man coming up against a professional athlete. What the California crew realise, and what I am saying amounts to this: The mma guy we saw slam, mount and pound his opponent, an effective way of dealing with him. With only one powerful looking but predictable slow i.e. distant attack (a rear right cross) a good boxer would have K.O.ed the lad within the first minute of round 1, a Thai Boxer would probably have done the same, but maybe first broken his left leg, that was left forward for the entire encounter, and a good San Da fighter would have had him over his shoulders and slammed his face onto the concrete every 10-15 seconds that he remained conscious.
What I see in California is a fighter’s event, one organized, refed, and aimed at and by fighters, one that dispenses with the B.S. and celebrates all full-contact disciplines for the truths they contain and their proved effectiveness. It also allows spectators to enjoy a show whatever they think is more important / entertaining. A leap forward!

Roper

Niall Keane wrote:

Recently there has been a thread MMA versus Street Fighter. We see what happens to a hard man coming up against a professional athlete. What the California crew realise, and what I am saying amounts to this: The mma guy we saw slam, mount and pound his opponent, an effective way of dealing with him. With only one powerful looking but predictable slow i.e. distant attack (a rear right cross) a good boxer would have K.O.ed the lad within the first minute of round 1, a Thai Boxer would probably have done the same, but maybe first broken his left leg, that was left forward for the entire encounter, and a good San Da fighter would have had him over his shoulders and slammed his face onto the concrete every 10-15 seconds that he remained conscious.

Good point. And good post. I don't think we're that far off that over here though. A few people get their knickers in a twist when everything isn't MMA but for the most part I think anyone with any sense knows that most gyms that train with actual combat in mind have something to offer. Ring of Truth has Kickboxing (K1 style) in it and there's been FS Wrestling and even Capoeira demos at MMA events over here.

It would be nice to see a show similar to that one in this country alright. A showcase for the array of talent we have in the many martial arts disciplines out there.

goo

Sure don't some of the English MMA shows have Muay Thai fights during?
Cage Warriors?

john kavanagh

multi-dicipline shows are very common nowadays. most MMA shows in the uk have kickboxing and/or boxing bouts on their cards now. i'd love to put a san shou bout on the next ring of truth july 29th, i think its a fantastic sport - if you're interested in this ringoftruth@gmail.com and we'll work something out

Niall Keane wrote:

...most mma will allow ground but no remaining on ones feet and striking an opponent on the ground, i.e. forcing the striker to the ground.

most mma? i cant think of any pro shows that dont allow a standing opponent to at least punch a downed opponent. and if you're into the whole stomping on someones head thing you could always fight in cage rage

Roper

From what I've seen of San Shou it looks very like Muay Thai and very good. I'd echo Elytrons statement there I've no real interest in watching contrived MA sports like semi or light contact. At least not paying to see them. Ultimately I think most fans of one full contact sport can appreciate the others even if they don't understand the details. I can watch and appreciate Judo for example.

FiannaGym.com

Yo, MMA aint new to California at all. Infact LA is where the Gracies first set up shop. Its north Americas mecca for MMA and competitions have been held on reservations for ages.

Aside from that, shows that have mixed rules are always being held. Ring of Truth has Ultiamte Kick Boxing and allows you to kick the legs of a downed opp. I also would love to see a San Shou fight in ROT!

Peace

Niall Keane

Wow, really enheartened from what's been posted, makes a difference from what attitudes were being posted recently on this forum, a breath of fresh air!

"i'd love to put a san shou bout on the next ring of truth july 29th"

John, hats off and fair play for the work you've put in on organising the ROT shows, I'll be in contact with you about this.

All the best lads,
Niall