1/2 nl...Call/fold

willis

6handed, i open cutoff to $7, sb who seems tightish makes it $19, i call with 78clubs. Flop is Q52 2clubs. He bets $30, i call. Turn is 5 of clubs...he checks, i bet $50 and he insta-pushes for $250, i have $100 left. Call/Fold?

My thinking...Villain must know ive a decent hand from my preflop raise and call, and my flop call. Therefore when he check-raises surely he has to have a big hand..but how big? I beat AA/KK/AQ/AK, villain can make this move with these hands with a sole club. I lose to any higher flush, prob AK/AJ clubs, and i lose to QQ/55/22 but i rule out 55/22.

Im a novice at cash so all opinions about play so far appreciated

Waylander

I think you would have to call. I'm thinking he has a high pair (AA,KK) or possibly AK with 1 club,

ianmc38

I dont think he'll reraise from the SB with AQ.

From a tight player this is nearly always QQ, KK, AA or AcKc.

Against a tighty, I prefer to fold here, but it's marginal. Sometimes i'll call and cross my fingers, though i'll mostly fold.

willis

yeh in my limited experience of cash in the past i have insta-called but this time I felt he must have me beat so folded. He went a bit mental wen i told him wat i folded...how could i fold that,size of the pot etc, he seemed pretty pissed I folded, called me weak tight, and said he had AJ with just the ace of clubs...hmmm...if he played AJ like this hes mental and after watching his play for a while after he defo wasnt mental although he was aggresive

Poker & Pints

First I would need to know the exact board here. While I tend to agree with ian that he prob didn't raise with AQ, the possibility does exist. If the board was Q not being a club and with the other 2 cards being clubs, then he bet top pair with the nut club draw on the flop. He hits the nut flush, and check raises. Thats one scenario so really need to know the exact flop.

Now assuming that the Q was a club, then I don't think he filled up the turn...why?...well I think a lot of players would not play the top set that way on the flop(the $30 bet). The play is generally more apt to be a check and trap with a check raise. Or I think you overbet the pot so that you get rid of potential chasers like you.

My conclusion is that he had AK of clubs. Pot is bout 250 if I added right and it costs you 100 more to see. Invested 99 already(19, 30, 50)....I personally call. The RIGHT play is probably to fold because he is not scared of your 50 bet WHEN the flush hit. All IMO

Anyhows, I think where you went wrong was by betting on the turn...for all intensive purposes you bet into a bigger flush or a full house...bad in my opinion. You could have got away from this on the river to a AI push very easily or could have called a smallish bet and maybe lost/maybe won without as much risk.

willis

Poker & Pints wrote:

Anyhows, I think where you went wrong was by betting on the turn...for all intensive purposes you bet into a bigger flush or a full house...bad in my opinion. You could have got away from this on the river to a AI push very easily or could have called a smallish bet and maybe lost/maybe won without as much risk.

Check behind on the turn? I dont like giving the sole Ace clubs a free card here. I have to bet the turn imo. BTW the full board is in the origianl post

Poker & Pints

willis wrote:

Check behind on the turn? I dont like giving the sole Ace clubs a free card here. I have to bet the turn imo. BTW the full board is in the origianl post

So you would rather bet into a bigger flush or a full house? OK....No sense to me...He doesn't have a sole A...Anyways you put yourself into a unfavorable position....Stop and ask yourself would you rather call a small bet on the river or fold to an AI because the pot doesn't offer that much value or potentially he tries a check raise on the river and you just check and go to a showdown. Sorry, but I prefer to stay out of those situations. In the scenario in the OP you got outplayed to the max. Not worth it...

Gotcha...sorry, turn was 5 of clubs...missed that one...

RoundTower

I would call here, it sounds like AcAx, etc, is a big part of his range. If he has a full house or a big flush so be it. I think you played the hand fine up to now and don't understand Poker&Pints's reasoning.

cardshark202

Kinda looks like he has QQ or something like RT suggested. If he puts you on a flush he may decide a check-raise will get all your chips, assuming he has QQ. However, if he did have QQ, he should lead the turn, let you pot-commit yourself with a raise and then he stacks you. You had a chance to get away from a flush and took it. Rambling aside, I call here, expecting to see AcKx, AcAx, or KcKx more often than QQ or AcKc.