mma v street fighter.

dlofnep

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zaJ8KzQe6RY

Shad Smith, KOTC competitor against some street fighter. Some people organise fights on the street, that's their own business.. Shad didn't really want to hurt the guy, he just wanted the win. Anyways, not for everyone but that's how MMA works in a street fight for anyone who wanted to see it.

kenpo_dave

dlofnep wrote:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zaJ8KzQe6RY

Shad Smith, KOTC competitor against some street fighter. Some people organise fights on the street, that's their own business.. Shad didn't really want to hurt the guy, he just wanted the win. Anyways, not for everyone but that's how MMA works in a street fight for anyone who wanted to see it.

Great clip But its still in a competition format - prearranged, ref of some kind etc. It was not a street fight, although perhaps it was of the underground street fighting type...hmm.
Got anymore?

Dave.

Millionaire

excellent clip...though still a match fight.

Re street attack...

it normally happens when you least expect and are not prepered.
with little warning. and unless your real good, your defending off
the back foot. often the attacker has back up, and indeed bottles
or worse may be involved.

I ve been there many times...trust me on this.

That say in comparison to say a hard ,muay thai spar, (which I had this morning)
are too very different things.

damo

never mind, leave your brains at the door people

breadmonkey

And so the cycle begins...

Dragan

Millionaire wrote:

it normally happens when you least expect and are not prepered.with little warning. and unless your real good, your defending off
the back foot. often the attacker has back up, and indeed bottles
or worse may be involved.

I think the clip was posted to the point of showing MMA against someone who is used to fighting with no rules in a no rules situation. Thats all.

And Mill, as cool a dude as you are, your reference to a hard Muay Thai spar is a little off base, when the clip shown is not off a "Muay Thai spar Vs Street Fighter"

It's just a scrap, between two dudes and one lost.

pma-ire

This looked like an early UFC fight!!

One guy that did'int really have any fighting skills being tagged as a "Street Fighter", fighting an experienced multi-range full contact fighter.

It was stacked against the guy from the start really??

Roper

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Roper

dlofnep wrote:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zaJ8KzQe6RY

Shad Smith, KOTC competitor against some street fighter. Some people organise fights on the street, that's their own business.. Shad didn't really want to hurt the guy, he just wanted the win. Anyways, not for everyone but that's how MMA works in a street fight for anyone who wanted to see it.

If he didn't want to hurt the guy, what was he doing in a pre-arranged street fight with no safety equipment, no referee, no medical personnell etc.?

TBH, this sort of stuff doesn't belong on a martial arts forum in my opinion. There's a line between sports and thuggery and the proliferation of videos like this only serves to give MMA a bad name. How are coaches supposed to get kids into the sport when this is what its online representation is? If I were a parent with no knowledge of MA, and I saw that, I'd be bringing my kid down to the closest Kung Fu, TKD or Shotokan school and definitley NOT to the places that trained MMA.

This sort of stuff belongs on the same heap as "Motorway Madness", "Crash Bang Whallop what a video" and other "horrific injury" videos.

goo

Yeah this doesn't show how mma works in a street fight it's just a trained fighter destroying an untrained fighter and it's gack.

dlofnep

Roper wrote:

If he didn't want to hurt the guy, what was he doing in a pre-arranged street fight with no safety equipment, no referee, no medical personnell etc.?

TBH, this sort of stuff doesn't belong on a martial arts forum in my opinion. There's a line between sports and thuggery and the proliferation of videos like this only serves to give MMA a bad name. How are coaches supposed to get kids into the sport when this is what its online representation is? If I were a parent with no knowledge of MA, and I saw that, I'd be bringing my kid down to the closest Kung Fu, TKD or Shotokan school and definitley NOT to the places that trained MMA.

This sort of stuff belongs on the same heap as "Motorway Madness", "Crash Bang Whallop what a video" and other "horrific injury" videos.

Whatever Ghandi. It's just a video. You're not obliged to click on the thread.:rolleyes:

john kavanagh

the fight itself doesn't bother me, neither is gonna be seriously hurt - the body is very tough

however the crowd absolutely disgusts me - like the idiot at an MMA show :rolleyes:

yes no weapons or multiple opponent....although i dont think the fella on the bottom would've done much better against +2 guys!

pma-ire

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Cake Fiend

Poor clip tbh. That guy is as much a street fighter as I am a pro footballer. Imagine how bad you'd feel smacking around a fifteen-year-old kid - that's probably what Shad felt like.

Baggio...

Hmm...more of a match fight.

Crowd are a pack of vultures....:mad:

dlofnep

Sico wrote:

Poor clip tbh. That guy is as much a street fighter as I am a pro footballer. Imagine how bad you'd feel smacking around a fifteen-year-old kid - that's probably what Shad felt like.

I don't think he's 15. Define a street fighter?

ShaneT

This is no different to the early UFC's and ValeTudo in the Pre-gloves era.

The thing that changes this from a "street fight" (as most people understand the term) is the lack of an "attacker / defender". This is a situation where people agree to show up and have a fight (of course, street fights can happen this way too - but, I think the John Wayne days of duking it out on the plains are over). When most people think of a "street fight" they are really refering to a "suprise attack" with malicious intent. In a sporting context, the INTENT is rarely malicious although it may well be painful! And, where maliciousness comes in to it (as rivalries grow) then the ref is in place to ensure "fair play".

But, put these lads in the ring and change the street walls to a cage and you have UFC one. Experienced no holds barred or all round fighters beating the hell out of "street punks" that were far removed from the athletes we see in the SPORT of mixed martial arts today. And, like it or lump it, MMA is a sport.

This may not have been sporting but it did have a "ref". It did have a crowd of annoying poorly educated blood baiters... ...wait a minute... it IS the UFC...!

Cake Fiend

dlofnep wrote:

I don't think he's 15. Define a street fighter?

I don't think he's 15 either. It was an analogy. During the first break in the fight, it's very obvious that Shad doesn't want to keep pummelling this guy and feels guilty about it.

As for a definition of a street fighter, I'm not sure I could give one (or that a single definition could exist), but I'm sure it should probably start with 'someone who can fight'.

This vid reminds me of so many of the 'BJJ vs karate' or 'MMA vs wing ts/chun' ones where it's clear the other guy hasn't been in a real fight in his life.

Roper

dlofnep wrote:

Whatever Ghandi. It's just a video. You're not obliged to click on the thread.:rolleyes:

Smart eh? Well it is a public forum and I am a member, as are a lot of people who will be exposed to MMA for the first time by clicking and viewing. So to hold that up as an example of MMA, with a guys head being whacked off concrete is misleading. The two guys are idiots, the crowd are idiots, so how is that going to promote the sport in any way?

The Ghandi is classic though. I LOL at this forum sometimes. Someone doesn't like seeing a sport portrayed as pure violence- Ghandi. Someone promotes healthy lifestyle - Hippy.

dlofnep

Roper wrote:

Smart eh? Well it is a public forum and I am a member, as are a lot of people who will be exposed to MMA for the first time by clicking and viewing. So to hold that up as an example of MMA, with a guys head being whacked off concrete is misleading. The two guys are idiots, the crowd are idiots, so how is that going to promote the sport in any way?

The Ghandi is classic though. I LOL at this forum sometimes. Someone doesn't like seeing a sport portrayed as pure violence- Ghandi. Someone promotes healthy lifestyle - Hippy.

Roper, it's just a video of a fight. I'm not trying to promote anything. Just posting a link. Don't look too deep into it mate.

pma-ire

dlofnep wrote:

Roper, it's just a video of a fight. I'm not trying to promote anything. Just posting a link. Don't look too deep into it mate.

The thing is man Roper is right!

This video don't help promote MMA for what it is! Which is the most complete full contact combat sport in the world.

People in the world of pressure points feel the same when that Dillman video gets thrown out there or the FOX news report with "Mr. Lighting" :rolleyes:

It paints everyone with the same brush once they mention that they study the subject.

Though I know you had'int any intentions when posting it

Michael O Leary

Hi all,

Just to add my two cents.

There is a difference between a street fighter and a street fight. I do acknowledge that you gain an ability to defend yourself if you study MMA and you would stand a greater chance of being able to defeat a street fighter in a "match" situation. It just becomes more risky in a street fighting situation for the reasons that others including myself have posted about here and in the past.

Regards,

Michael O'Leary
www.wingtsun-escrima.ie

dlofnep

pma-ire wrote:

The thing is man Roper is right!

This video don't help promote MMA for what it is! Which is the most complete full contact combat sport in the world.

People in the world of pressure points feel the same when that Dillman video gets thrown out there or the FOX news report with "Mr. Lighting" :rolleyes:

It paints everyone with the same brush once they mention that they study the subject.

Though I know you had'int any intentions when posting it

Who said I was trying to promote MMA?

Drummo

dlofnep wrote:

Who said I was trying to promote MMA?

Exactamundo!!!

I watched to clip and took from it what I wanted. This is a ma discussion board NOT an MMA Promo board.

pma-ire

dlofnep wrote:

Who said I was trying to promote MMA?

Stop arguing with yourself man!!

I did'int say it either!!

You have kinda missed the point I had made:p

pma-ire

Drummo wrote:

Exactamundo!!!

I watched to clip and took from it what I wanted.

Good for you man!!

Drummo wrote:

This is a ma discussion board

Correction this is a Self Defence/Martial Arts discussion board! Sometimes people forget this!!

Drummo wrote:

NOT an MMA Promo board.

Well the content is dependant on the posters!!

Drummo

pma-ire wrote:

Good for you man!!

Well I thought so, thanks!

pma-ire wrote:

Correction this is a Self Defence/Martial Arts discussion board! Sometimes people forget this!!

I beg you pardon, I forgot the Self Defence part. Very sorry.

pma-ire wrote:

Well the content is dependant on the posters!!

Did you not just "correct" me in telling me what this board was about. Now it all depends on the content of the posters!?!?

Wow!!! You sure put me in my place! :rolleyes:

pma-ire

Drummo wrote:

Did you not just "correct" me in telling me what this board was about. Now it all depends on the content of the posters!?!?

Wow!!! You sure put me in my place! :rolleyes:

I was'int trying to put you in your place or anyone elses for that matter??

I just said that this is a SD/MA board, and that threads can be posted within that scope! If you feel that it is too much slanted towards MMA. Then post more non-MMA threads and comments.

"Content is dependant on the posters!"

There was no attack on you! Just an observation :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Drummo

pma-ire wrote:

I was'int trying to put you in your place or anyone elses for that matter??

I just said that this is a SD/MA board, and that threads can be posted within that scope! If you feel that it is too much slanted towards MMA. Then post more non-MMA threads and comments.

"Content is dependant on the posters!"

There was no attack on you! Just an observation :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Ok chief! I know.

You said anything within the SD/MA scope can be posted here and I believe the clip John posted falls into that scope. That's what I was saying.

My point is that I don't think everything posted to do with MMA necessarily has to promote it - it could just be of interest to those into MMA. As that clip was to me!!!

As for feeling that things are slanted too much towards MMA. MMA's my game man, it can't be slanted towards it enough!!!

pma-ire

Drummo wrote:

Ok chief! I know.

You said anything within the SD/MA scope can be posted here and I believe the clip John posted falls into that scope. That's what I was saying.

My point is that I don't think everything posted to do with MMA necessarily has to promote it - it could just be of interest to those into MMA. As that clip was to me!!!

As for feeling that things are slanted too much towards MMA. MMA's my game man, it can't be slanted towards it enough!!!

Coolio then!!

My bad!! :cool:

dlofnep

All's well that ends well. Like I said lads, it's just a video.

And hello Drummo.

Shad Smith is a jackass. Anyone who get's involved with something like Felony Fights is a jackass. He should have known what he signed up for. I think it's a little rich for him to realise that he's gonna mess the guy up- come on man what did you sign up for. An organised human cockfight on concrete- nothing classy or sporting about that.

Think I'll re-watch Bang KTFO out of him in King of The Cage. Love that Crane stance. Shad Smith ("I won over 7 million street fights") Vs. Bas Rutten protege. Love it.

Drummo

dlofnep wrote:

And hello Drummo.

Story John?!

dlofnep

columok wrote:

Think I'll re-watch Bang KTFO out of him in King of The Cage. Love that Crane stance. Shad Smith ("I won over 7 million street fights") Vs. Bas Rutten protege. Love it.

Bang disected him. I loved that fight. One of my favourites.

Drummo wrote:

Story John?!

Not much buddy, podding along in work. Are you going to be at the summer camp?

Roper

On that note: Where is Bang these days?

Dragan

Roper wrote:

On that note: Where is Bang these days?

And this is where it gets weird. There are actually rumours than Bang will fight Luke Cummo at UFC 62.

dlofnep

Roper wrote:

On that note: Where is Bang these days?

He's fighting Tyson Griffin on strikeforce.

frobisher

I've been knocking around the self defence forum lately as I'm interested in taking up an MA. The clip at the begining of this thread has kind of shocked me a bit. I'm no shirking violet but that was a bit full on.

The reasons I want to do MA have absolutely zero to do with harming anyone and no matter what anyone says that clip has nothing to do with skill, grace, discipline or even fitness and has more to do with meaningless machismo. I'm not having a go at the OP, it's just my own observation.

MA can be a thing of impecable beauty, that clip was just ugly.

frobisher

Elytron wrote:

Frobisher you sound like a guy that Shotokan Karate would suit. Or perhaps one of those kung fu's with the cool forms.

What about Tae Kwon Do?

Michael O Leary

frobisher wrote:

The reasons I want to do MA have absolutely zero to do with harming anyone.

Hi Frobisher,:)

Nice to hear from you. This is not a loaded question. With reference to the above what would be the main thing you would like to get out of a martial art and what other things would be nice additions.

Regards,

Michael O'Leary
www.wingtsun-escrima.ie

frobisher

Michael O Leary wrote:

Hi Frobisher,:)

Nice to hear from you. This is not a loaded question. With reference to the above what would be the main thing you would like to get out of a martial art and what other things would be nice additions.

Regards,

Michael O'Leary
www.wingtsun-escrima.ie

It's a combination of things that appeal to me, many of them memories from my time doing some MA when I was a teen, e.g. the fitness, the way you can reach very clear goals and each goal leads to another, the challenge of sparring and the movement and form behind patterns and combinations.

I'm not into it for self defence. I have pretty much never come across any trouble that I haven't been able to either walk (or run!) away from or talk my way out of. I understand the combative roots of MA but that's not what I want it for.

Cake Fiend

Elytron wrote:

Frobisher you sound like a guy that Shotokan Karate would suit. Or perhaps one of those kung fu's with the cool forms.

Or ballet.

Michael O Leary

frobisher wrote:

the fitness, the way you can reach very clear goals and each goal leads to another, the challenge of sparring and the movement and form behind patterns and combinations.

Fair play to you. You know what you want out of a martial art which is half the battle. From what you said it sounds as if most Karate and Tae kwon do schools would suit you. As far as I know Tae kwon do has more kicking than Karate and therefore needs a greater level of fitness maybe.

Why don 't you post a new thread asking about both arts and then the people on this forum who have experience of both arts can give you better advice. Mention that you are not into it for self-defence and then it won't get bogged down into which is better. Hopefully.

Regards,

Michael O'Leary
www.wingtsun-escrima.ie

Cake Fiend

Elytron wrote:

Ballet is physically rigorous. i'd not mock it.

I'm not mocking it, that was my point - it involves skill, grace, discipline and fitness without being violent.











...OK, maybe I was mocking a little

dlofnep

Van Damme is a prime example of how devastating ballet is.

Baggio...

Jean Claud did get a decent stretch from it....Although it just seems like too much free time in front of a mirror. But whatever floats yer' boat right?:D