Nintendo faked Wii demonstration

wayne040576

Allegedly ...
http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=31829

Does this mean all the demo booths open to the public were the same too?
Guess it doesn't really make much difference really.

GrumPy

wayne040576 wrote:

Allegedly ...
http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=31829

Does this mean all the demo booths open to the public were the same too?
Guess it doesn't really make much difference really.

meh, who cares? It will still be a cool machine.

wayne040576

Irish GrumPy wrote:

meh, who cares? It will still be a cool machine.

Yeah. I have to say it was the one that most impressed me.

This is what happens when the pressure is on the engineers of these companies. They couldn't afford not to demo something at the show.

garthv

Should this prove true, it is amazing that no-one questioned why the Wii had such bad graphics for a second-generation machine.

Out of all the e3 reviews Ive read this is the only drawback that any press has had to say about the Wii. After all these years you;d think they'd realise that Nintendo were never about the graphics, always about the Gameplay.

Even if it was a demo run of a Gamecube,who cares! It's going to be the only console I buy out of these supposed "Next generation" consoles.

honru

Well that explains the Gamecube-like graphics... it can only look better on the real deal.

I take that as a good thing.

flogen

exactly, freak...

they were damn good graphics for the GC, and if Ninty can squeeze that out of a GC then imagine what they can do with a card 3 times better (or whatever it is)...

even with the graphics shown the games still impressed me

Imagine if they pulled off the mother of all coups before launch and announced that the Wii will sport better graphics than the other two as well as the new remote! (that's not going to happen, I know)

conzy

The GPU is still being devoloped by ATI, thats why there was no Wii......

But its based on the R520 architechture (X1800XT) so it should have very nice graphics.

The biggest problem they are probably having is heat, imagine trying to fit a X1800XT in something that small:D

projectmayhem

lol

if sony or microsoft did this you'd be shouting and screaming for someone's head

Ciaran500

Sony and Microsoft did do this.

hairball

yeh, i think its widely practiced, hasn't it always been the case at e3 coming up to a consoles launch...?

Retr0gamer

That would probably explain why the gaems looked very 'Gamcube' (lots of trademark fur shaders and the clean look). Still most of the wii games started developed on Gamecube dev kits since the Wii dev kits use the same sku's. Shouldn't be difficult at all to port them over.

flogen

hairball wrote:

yeh, i think its widely practiced, hasn't it always been the case at e3 coming up to a consoles launch...?

Yeah, MS used Powermacs last year, didn't they?
Not sure about Sony, but they probably don't have their HW finalised yet either, if they did we'd hear about the production lines rolling

skywalker

lol. It does show up a lot of pro Ninty bias though, people were outraged that the ps3 was an empty shell last year if i remember rightly. Sauce for the goose lads.

flogen

skywalker wrote:

lol. It does show up a lot of pro Ninty bias though, people were outraged that the ps3 was an empty shell last year if i remember rightly. Sauce for the goose lads.

I don't remember any outrage about that, who would have expected the PS3 to be even nearly complete more than a year before its launch?

I remember outrage at the Killzone video which they said was real footage (not sure what the term was, in game, real time etc.), there's a big difference between what Sony did last year and what Ninty did here; for one Sony showed video's that made the PS3 look amazing which they knew they were unlikely to match in real life, Ninty (whom are always conservative with their specs) have probably made the Wii look worse than it actually will, certainly not better.

In other words, if you do think Ninty have lied to you because the HW used doesn't match the HW that will ship it's a nice damn lie.

Retr0gamer

Doesn't seem to be much evidence to back up the claim that they were faked and an awful lot to suggest that nintendo didn't fake the wii demos. It seems that the games were running on Dev kits and not final production models (just like PS3 demos). It seems that the only thing backing up this claim is that the cables used are the ones used on the GC but then again Nintendo have used the same video signal cables since the SNES.

projectmayhem

tbh i hope this is exactly what nintendo did. while gameplay and new ways to control games is great, i would enjoy a bit of eye candy to go along with it. wasn't the wii supposed to be 3x better (graphically, at least) then the gamecube, according to someone at ATi?

Retr0gamer

It's only meant to be 1.5 times more powerful than the GC.

flogen

Retr0gamer wrote:

It's only meant to be 1.5 times more powerful than the GC.

I'm sure I heard 3 times too.

Looking over the mario videos it would be impressive if they were running of a GC, Zelda wouldn't be a surprise, nor would the likes of Red Steel, which looked impressive in the pre-E3 screens but average at the show itself.

monument

Apparently, or so I’ve read somewhere or another, Nintendo have admitted it was some Wii tech with in Gamecube ‘shell’. So what (of course, I wouldn’t be saying such if I was a journalist in need of copy) .

projectmayhem wrote:

lol

if sony or microsoft did this you'd be shouting and screaming for someone's head

Yeah, because at E3 there were retail PS3s this year, and last year there were retail 360s. :rolleyes:

dimerocks

sounds good if its true but on the otherhand if the chip sets aren't finished yet that could mean they didn't give a release date because they might have to delay it. That would be terrible.

flogen

true dimerocks although Sony are unlikely to have finalised HW either, and MS didn't at this point either (their final dev kits went out really late too, and production didn't start until weeks before launch which made the shortages even worse).

Nintendo would be idiotic to miss the Christmas market, especially if they want to offer a well priced alternative to the PS3

wayne040576

One or two people were asking about it on channel 4 teletext games page. The lads who were at the show said that some of the booths looked like wii dev kits while others did seem to look like modified GC dev kits but they couldn't be sure about any of them.

hairball

flogen wrote:

I'm sure I heard 3 times too.

Looking over the mario videos it would be impressive if they were running of a GC,

yeh i thought that too funnily enough, maybe its because its mario and they 've put a little more effort in so far ,but it did seem to have a very polished sheen to it

Mokong

Nintendo didn't distribute proper Wii dev kits until a few weeks before E3, so there was little time for developers to make "proper" demos, i fully expect the final version of Red Steel for example to look more like it's trailer did, of which there was a considerable differeance between that and the playable demo.

Anyway Nintendo where also prolly wanting to test the theory of gameplay over grahics (Playing = Believing) and given the reaction towards the Wii at E3 i'd think gameplay won

wayne040576

Mokong wrote:

Nintendo didn't distribute proper Wii dev kits until a few weeks before E3, so there was little time for developers to make "proper" demos, i fully expect the final version of Red Steel for example to look more like it's trailer did, of which there was a considerable differeance between that and the playable demo.

Anyway Nintendo where also prolly wanting to test the theory of gameplay over grahics (Playing = Believing) and given the reaction towards the Wii at E3 i'd think gameplay won

Seems to be the general conclusion. I listen to this bloke's podcast every now and then and he had been ranting and raving about the Wii for weeks before E3 and how he thought it was going to be great. He got the chance to go to E3 and try it out. He seems to have come back very disappointed with what he saw and how the games actually played. Dunno maybe he had got the wrong idea about what the controller was supposed to do but he explanation of it is pretty interesting anyways.
Worth a listen, only about 30 mins long or so.
http://www.chatterboxgameshow.com/archives/Show120_05-14-2006.mp3