Chip races.

NickyOD

Some questions about chip races for those in the know.

How are chip races done in other couintries and in what tournaments are there no chip races? Are there clubs in ireland that do chip races differenly to the rest ot don't do one at all?

How many ways can a chip race be done differently and if there is no chip race what is done with the chips less than the small blind? i.e. how are they taken out of play?

N.

RoundTower

In the small buyin tourneys I played in Atlantic City there are no chip races. When the chips are being taken out of play, if you have less than 1/2 of the next chip up you lose it, if you have 1/2 or more you get a full chip. Not sure if this is standard there or only for the small games.

In the Fitz if someone is down to less than the second smallest chip, the chip race at that table is usually put off for a hand. I haven't seen this elsewhere and I don't know if it's really meant to be the rule.

Imposter

Over here chip races are done as they are in the Fitz. As soon as the chip is not needed its raced off. Someone can be eliminated in a chip race though (although ask a different floorman and you might get a different answer to that one).

jacQues

Imposter wrote:

Someone can be eliminated in a chip race though

I do not know the correct ruling. But that sounds wrong. Surely the rule as stated the Fitz uses is correct. if someone has 75 chips left and you want to chip down the 25 chips...you wait until that person is gone or doubles up. Shouldn't take long since (s)he's all-in on the next BB anyways.

jacQues

jacQues

NickyOD wrote:

How are chip races done in other couintries and in what tournaments are there no chip races? Are there clubs in ireland that do chip races differenly to the rest ot don't do one at all?

In our home tourneys we used to leave them in. But we since changed that to race correctly (making sure the exact same amount of chips are in play). It was no bother having the small chips in but it did get silly sometimes. 1/10th blind shouldn't matter so we chip race.

In the four aces here in Galway its done on an 'optimistic' basis. Anyone with leftover chips gets a bigger chip. So this actually may add some chips to the total chip count. It doesn't delay the game as a chip race isn't needed.

In the Westwood on Wednesday they do a chip race 'as normal'. But they use suits to determine who gets a chip. Spades are best, whereas suits never matter in most other places. On a tie, tied players get one more card as a tie-breaker (one more card regardless of the amount of chips they had).

jacQues

sikes

Imposter wrote:

Over here chip races are done as they are in the Fitz. As soon as the chip is not needed its raced off. Someone can be eliminated in a chip race though (although ask a different floorman and you might get a different answer to that one).

a player cant be elminated in a chip race.

"A player may not be eliminated from the event by the Chip Race process. If a player has no chips after the race cards have been dealt, he is given a chip of the higher denomination before anyone else is awarded a chip."

thats one ruling i found but i think in the fitz they hold onto their chips until they have enough or out!

VEGAS NIGHTS

As there are no official international rules I think this will come to a house rule. The TD has the responsibility of ensuring the best interest of the game and fare play to all players. With this in mind I belive no player should be eliminated from a tourny by chip race. As the old saying goes "a chip and a chair".

That said, most VN tournies are self deal and the only staff member in the room is the TD. Players go on break when chips are being coloured up. The TD colours up each table and as this is quite laboursom we just round up any odd chips.

cacio

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In the Westwood on Wednesday they do a chip race 'as normal'. But they use suits to determine who gets a chip. Spades are best, whereas suits never matter in most other places.

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in the westwood the give one card to every remaining chip. if you have 3 chips you get three cards etc. you go by highest card not suit but if there is only one chip left to give and two players have the same card, eg 10, then it goes on the ranking of the suit. spades, hearts, diamonds, clubs.

jacQues

cacio wrote:

in the westwood the give one card to every remaining chip. if you have 3 chips you get three cards etc. you go by highest card not suit but if there is only one chip left to give and two players have the same card, eg 10, then it goes on the ranking of the suit. spades, hearts, diamonds, clubs.

That is what I meant. Sorry if I typed it funny.

jacQues

bohsman

jacQues wrote:

That is what I meant. Sorry if I typed it funny.

jacQues

The fitz also do it by suit if its a draw.

The stanley kip casino in Edinbrough give one larger chip for every odd chip.

RoundTower

High card by suit is standard everywhere that has a normal chip race.

I don't like the Fitz rule and would prefer the pokerevents/TDA rule where you just give the guy one extra chip if he gets raced out of the tournament.

DeVore

I prefer the Fitz way of doing it, but to be frank, its 1/8th to 1/10th of a BB usually. I could care less to be honest so if a TD needs to do a quick chip up I dont mind.

DeV.

sprocket1

from roberts rules of poker

The lowest denomination of chip in play will be removed from the table when it is no longer needed in the blind or ante structure. All lower-denomination chips that are of sufficient quantity for a new chip will be changed up directly. The method for removal of odd chips is to deal one card to a player for each odd chip possessed. Cards are dealt clockwise starting with the 1-seat, with each player receiving all cards before any cards are dealt to the next player. The player with the highest card by suit gets enough odd chips to exchange for one new chip, the second-highest card gets to exchange for the next chip, and so forth, until all the lower-denomination chips are exchanged. If an odd number of lower-denomination chips are left after this process, the player with the highest card remaining will receive a new chip if he has half or more of the quantity of lower-denomination chips needed, otherwise nothing.n absent player is always dealt a hand, and will be put up for blinds, antes, and the forced bet if low.

http://www.pokerpaper.com/ps_roberts_rules_part_2.html

tricky D

sikes wrote:

a player cant be elminated in a chip race.

"A player may not be eliminated from the event by the Chip Race process. If a player has no chips after the race cards have been dealt, he is given a chip of the higher denomination before anyone else is awarded a chip."

thats one ruling i found but i think in the fitz they hold onto their chips until they have enough or out!

In the Fitz, the chip race is considered as a matter of house admin, not part of the playing the game, hence the principle of no elimination due to chip race. Deal on until chip race is 'possible'.

Imposter

You can quote me any rules you like but this question was asked of a floorman last week and he said that the person can be raced off. Whether its wrong or not it's the decision this floorman would give.