Hooks in BB

Iceman78

Just looking for peoples opinions on my play in this hand as it is from a live game i played about 2 weeks ago.

Was about 15 left in tourney and only 5 got paid. I had just gone from about 8k to 24k in last 10 hands so was on a good run and felt i was playing well enough. There was one monster stack on table who had about 45k. He had only joined table but i had played with him before and he liked to see flops but could lay down a hand. I had at least 10k more than everyone else at the table and there were 3 people with under 7k.

I had been playing fairly tight all night, well i had only shown down big pocket pairs or big aces. Most of my bluffs had worked and i did not have to turn over any bad hands prior to this hand. I would probably have a TAG rep at this stage as i was playing my good hands very aggressively.

Hand was dealt out and i was big blind. Blinds were 500/1000 at this stage. UTG folds, TG+1 raises to 5k, he only has about 8k so he is pot committed. MP big stack thinks about just calling and wants to just put other player all in but gets a bit confused and goes all in. Everyone else folds around to me and i look down and see pocket jacks.

What is my play here and explain your decision please.

Hectorjelly

id fold here, jj is too weak to call in this spot i think - allthough it is marginal.

bubbleking

im folding here although id be tempted to call. you are in a comfortable position. its not the original raise that im worried about as its probably A-rag due to the fact that he could be pushing with anything at this stage. the second guy that went all in probably has you beat. its probably the wrong strategy but i will rarely call two all ins with pocket jacks in this situation.

brianmc

Poker maths says that it's marginal.

When it's marginal I say go with good old fashioned instinct - especially in live games.

RoundTower

I think I'd call. Online I'd probably fold.

cardshark202

RoundTower wrote:

Online I'd probably fold.

Because he has 22.

ocallagh

RoundTower wrote:

I think I'd call. Online I'd probably fold.

im the other way around

RoundTower

ocallagh wrote:

im the other way around

Do you think the big stack is pushing 77 here in, say, a typical Stars small/mid stakes tourney? I think less than 50% of the time. But unless the guy is putting on an act, and looking genuinely "confused" is not easy, it sounds exactly like he has a non premium hand here, and probably has stuff like 99 and AQ a lot.

Iceman78

Here is what happened in the hand.

I took a couple of minutes but eventually folded as i did not have many chips committed and did not want to race if the big stack had AK or AQ.

When cards are turned over, UTG+1 has AQ and big stack has A10 and im a bit pissed off now as this looks a terrible play from the big stack.

Then flop comes J94610 and i would have won the lot but i still think i made the right decision at the time.

The tourney finished with me splitting the money with the big stack from the above hand. I was happy enough with how i played the hand but got a lot of abuse from other people that night about laying down jacks and just wanted to get some other opinions.

I think the big stack got very lucky in the hand though by pushing with A10, it was a bit of a crazy push as far as im concerned as the initial raiser had been playing very tight.

5starpool

Very similiar hand happened me last week. I had JJ in the cutoff, UTG goes all in, another player very quickly says 'call' but tries to go all in at the same time, call stands. I have about the same as him chipwise and thought for a few mins but then folded. They had AQ/AJ and I would have won. Not quite the same as above cause I had only about 10BB's but still figured to get a better position to open push instead of playing JJ with all that action.

This is why I hate JJ. I still think a fold was a good decision as I would almost never be a big favourite here but would often be a big dog.

cardshark202

If they both are likely to have big aces I will always call here. I happy to race against 2/3 overs with all that money in the pot. If he is genuinly confused then I will call here.

As it stands, you would have hit a set so this is obviously a bad fold.

mewso

This is the latter stages of a tournament so my question would be how long have you played at the table with Mr. Donk with the A10. You should be getting reads on players you have been playing with during the tourney which will help you make your decision. I'm not saying you'll get it right I just think it's a nice addition to your deicsion making process. For example if you had said this guy only pushed with premium hands all night so I put him on AA-QQ and folded then even though you are wrong you are trying to get reads and use them which is a start.

Iceman78

musician wrote:

This is the latter stages of a tournament so my question would be how long have you played at the table with Mr. Donk with the A10. You should be getting reads on players you have been playing with during the tourney which will help you make your decision. I'm not saying you'll get it right I just think it's a nice addition to your deicsion making process. For example if you had said this guy only pushed with premium hands all night so I put him on AA-QQ and folded then even though you are wrong you are trying to get reads and use them which is a start.

Both players had just joined the table in the last few minutes as i had knocked out 3 players in the last 10 minutes. Due to this i had no reads on either of them. I had played with Mr Donk once before and while he liked to play any ace, he could lay down so i was shocked when i saw his hand. I expected him to have at least AKs. I had a read on Donk as i mentioned above that he did not look too confident and only wanted to put the other player all in but I still did not want to risk my tourney as i felt i was in a good position and could be in a race.

brianmc

Iceman78 wrote:

Both players had just joined the table in the last few minutes as i had knocked out 3 players in the last 10 minutes. Due to this i had no reads on either of them. I had played with Mr Donk once before and while he liked to play any ace, he could lay down so i was shocked when i saw his hand. I expected him to have at least AKs. I had a read on Donk as i mentioned above that he did not look too confident and only wanted to put the other player all in but I still did not want to risk my tourney as i felt i was in a good position and could be in a race.

If you felt you were in a race, you should have taken it. The value is too good and they are likely killing each others hands.