USA with no papers

mazroo

Right so.. Im fed up hear... So for the millionth time in my live long days I have thought about heading off to to the states again. Thing is I have a string of debts hear I need ot pay off.. I wont have em paid off till im 29.. eeek .. 24 now.. soooo my question is... Whats the suituation in getting work in the states NYC preferably with no papers. I dont have a degree so cant get a visa handy plus I need to pay 550 a month loans.No bar experiance either,. It used to be ok in restauraunts(i did it before and made a mint) but apparently its not as easy anymore. Anyone have have any info or recent experiance hear as in the last year???

YeatsCounty

If you're goung over primarily for immediate work, your best bet would be to get sponsored by an employer to come over and work in the USA. This is one of the ways to get a work visa:

guide to getting a work visa in the US.

I'm going through the immigration process in Canada at the moment and here, the only way you are able to work legally is to:

1. get a work visa
2. apply for Canadian residency

I'm doing the second one. It costs around $1,500 CAN for my processing fees. It's taken a few months already just to get my application together but it's all ready now. As my application is being processed at the moment, I can legally work is my potential employers apply to Human Resources Canada on my behalf.

I am unsure about the USA but that's how things are working here in Quebec. Hope the link I provided helps you.

Ruu_Old

You are probably not likely to earn a whole lot of money. Do you have somewhere to stay while you are there? Remember the euro vs dollar rate (probably going to get worse for the dollar) if you are going to bring home your money or whatever. Jobs arent too plentiful for anyone these days, especially with all the fuss about immigration reform lately.

zuma

Whats the facination with the US anyway?

Theres a good chance you'll earn more money staying in Ireland doing the jobs you'll get stuck with while illegal over in the US.

Unless you have a niche for yourself all setup then your probable kidding yourself thinking that you'll make all the money you need.

Patricide

YeatsCounty wrote:

If you're goung over primarily for immediate work, your best bet would be to get sponsored by an employer to come over and work in the USA. This is one of the ways to get a work visa:

guide to getting a work visa in the US.

I'm going through the immigration process in Canada at the moment and here, the only way you are able to work legally is to:

1. get a work visa
2. apply for Canadian residency

I'm doing the second one. It costs around $1,500 CAN for my processing fees. It's taken a few months already just to get my application together but it's all ready now. As my application is being processed at the moment, I can legally work is my potential employers apply to Human Resources Canada on my behalf.

I am unsure about the USA but that's how things are working here in Quebec. Hope the link I provided helps you.

Hey i know this is going OT but whats the story with immigrating to canada? As soon as i finish college i wanna go over and live there full time and ive been trying to find out some stuff bout it recently.

conky_05

Patricide wrote:

Hey i know this is going OT but whats the story with immigrating to canada? As soon as i finish college i wanna go over and live there full time and ive been trying to find out some stuff bout it recently.

AFAIK Canada is alot easier to get a visa for. I think you can apply and get a 2 year working holiday visa very easily ( just once though, like OZ or NZ ). Once you are there, try to work for a company that would sponsor you and then take it from there.

tintinr35

u dont need a degree or anything, i know a girl who was a hairdresser and just got an 18 month J1 visa, its increasingly difficult to come across someone who will employ you without papers as the penalties for them if caught are severe, plus if you stay over the 90 day holiday visa and you need to come home for an emergency or anything thats it automatic 5 (or maybe 10 i cant remember) ban from the country.....its not worth it, i know one guy who was out there for near 10 years and his dad died over here, he couldnt even come home for the funeral cause he was illegal and would have lost everything if he had come home!!!

FillSpectre

Lets just pause for a moment and look at your situation

You are 24
No college education
Managed to get into debt in 6 years (assuming 18) to cover you for the next 5
You can't use simple English (hear instead of here) so office work is out

Now don't get me wrong I am terrible at spelling and have limited education but I am not in debit.

Your solution is to go to another country illegally and make money and pay off your debt?
The US has a higher unemployment than here and less social welfare entitlements.

Anybody thinking about this logically would say you would be crazy to go to the US. Go to the citizens' advise people here they will halp you get your debts in order to reduce the payments or at least sort them out. You can work weekends and still claim dole if need be. If you are a native english speaker you have a good chance for many jobs here. If you have a particularly strong accent you can work on it to soften it. A flat accent of any kind will reduce your job chances in any country where they know the meaning.
Try and sort out what you have here instead of running off to another place where you would make a mess again but be in a lot worse situation

pclancy

Agree with above, im 24 and in a fair bit of debt. I desperatly want to head o canada or NZ but have to hold on for another few years to get loans etc paid off so I can head over with a clean slate.

You'r heading for trouble going the way you want to. Why not live somewhere else in the EU for a while doing what you're doing and getting debt sorted? I know the itchy feeling of wanting to travel but get out of debt first!

FillSpectre

I can understand a 24 year old in debt from college but if not what amount of debt are we talking and what are you buying?
When I was 24 if I didn't have the money I didn't buy it what is the new logic?

Tony Danza

FillSpectre wrote:

I can understand a 24 year old in debt from college but if not what amount of debt are we talking and what are you buying?
When I was 24 if I didn't have the money I didn't buy it what is the new logic?

http://dantwo.net/video/snl_dontbuystuff.wmv

I know, I'm very helpful.

nitrogen

Even head over to London mate. It's a different world from home if you avoid the Irish circles.

• Earning pounds - Pounds is better for paying off debt that dollars!
• The weather is much better - Warmer summers
• More things to do, more culture
• Better transport

I'll stop there. But, The Big US of A isn't always what it seems. What is that saying where the American dream ends the second you enter America!

mazroo

FillSpectre wrote:

Lets just pause for a moment and look at your situation

You are 24
No college education
Managed to get into debt in 6 years (assuming 18) to cover you for the next 5
You can't use simple English (hear instead of here) so office work is out

Now don't get me wrong I am terrible at spelling and have limited education but I am not in debit.

Your solution is to go to another country illegally and make money and pay off your debt?
The US has a higher unemployment than here and less social welfare entitlements.

Anybody thinking about this logically would say you would be crazy to go to the US. Go to the citizens' advise people here they will halp you get your debts in order to reduce the payments or at least sort them out. You can work weekends and still claim dole if need be. If you are a native english speaker you have a good chance for many jobs here. If you have a particularly strong accent you can work on it to soften it. A flat accent of any kind will reduce your job chances in any country where they know the meaning.
Try and sort out what you have here instead of running off to another place where you would make a mess again but be in a lot worse situation

Im in debt as I took out loans to fun my fathers operation so its not like I was spending crazy amounts. I have no degree as I had to work to pay back loans. I do however work god dam hard and also did so to get where I am today. Studied at night to get copious amounts of diplomas. I earn min 30k a year and run my own nbusiness so dont for one second think im a) dumb b) lazy and c) rnning from problems.. Payin back my loans is not an issue.. I wanted to move to america as I never got the chance to do all the travel things my friends did. I did go once but had to cut it short for obvious reasons. I didnt ask for you to remark on my present suituation. My question was how difficult it was to obtain work. Why bother to respond if all you are going to do it take what you want from the test and remark on what you wish. If I wanted people to give me thir opinions on my financial suituation or how I got there or my so called lack of eduacation I would have asked that. Thanks to all who offered constructive advice and actually answered my question. The canada info helped as I was also thinki of there too. A friend of mine I lost touch with was there and loved it. .. Hmmm Canada is a good possibility.. Thanks

FillSpectre

mazroo wrote:

Im in debt as I took out loans to fun my fathers operation so its not like I was spending crazy amounts. I have no degree as I had to work to pay back loans. blah blah

I don't for a minute believe your story but if you actually read what I said you would see the advise is don't go. THere is a huge clamp down on illegal imigrants and it is not a good life to live on the run. I commented on the situation as you described it. No higher education, poor english(demonstrated) and debt.

High unemployment, no social welfare and you would be illegal.

Your loans would have nothing to do with the fact you went traveling the US before?

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2054926575

So your story of debt for your father's operation seems like huey. I could go more on what you posted but that would be mean and cruel. Why bother lying?

On a personal note to you don't go you wouldn't have the strength to surivive on your own as is clear from other postings.

jjbrien

YeatsCounty wrote:

If you're goung over primarily for immediate work, your best bet would be to get sponsored by an employer to come over and work in the USA. This is one of the ways to get a work visa:

guide to getting a work visa in the US.

I'm going through the immigration process in Canada at the moment and here, the only way you are able to work legally is to:

1. get a work visa
2. apply for Canadian residency

I'm doing the second one. It costs around $1,500 CAN for my processing fees. It's taken a few months already just to get my application together but it's all ready now. As my application is being processed at the moment, I can legally work is my potential employers apply to Human Resources Canada on my behalf.

I am unsure about the USA but that's how things are working here in Quebec. Hope the link I provided helps you.

I have just come back from woring in Canada i would not go there if I was you the amount of tax that will be taxen out of you wages each meek equates to 33% thats if you on a low pay scale and alos if you live in Ontario its 15% at the shops wages are quite low in Canada compaired to the states and Ireland.

Nina_Angelica

jjbrien wrote:

I have just come back from woring in Canada i would not go there if I was you the amount of tax that will be taxen out of you wages each meek equates to 33% thats if you on a low pay scale and alos if you live in Ontario its 15% at the shops wages are quite low in Canada compaired to the states and Ireland.

You know, I really think this depends on what line of work you're in.
I'm from Toronto, moved to Cork in 2004 (to live w/ my fiancé) and started working as an experienced administrator (am 29, have been doing since I was 19) earning €20k. It's not so bad when you convert that to Canadian dollars (at the time about $31k) BUT I made way more than that before I moved to Ireland and now that we have moved back over to Canada, am earning double!! Not to mention there is lots of room for movement. While I was living/working in Cork, I did feel as though admin staff were regarded as being dispensable and so that certainly didn't help the matter.
Also, I initially started as a receptionist and was promoted to administrator after about 6 mos. with no raise at all. That would rarely happen here and in fact has never happened to me before. If you're being promoted that's for a reason and you should be compensated for it.

That having been said, there are some very good perks to working in Europe, especially getting 20 days a year for hols, we north americans don't know what a holiday is :rolleyes: Not to mention we had one hell of a social committee and the Irish certainly know how to have a good time

Larianne

Hey,

Lived and worked in USA for 6 months illegally. If you can hack lying to people and always looking over your shoulder then go over and get a job there. I had to come home because even though I had a brilliant job working in a TV studios and my employer knew about my visa status I couldn't deal with all the lying. It wasn't worth it..even though I miss Chicago so much.

I think working in the hospitallity industry is the easiest place to get work. I would say though that it is way more easier to get set up with a job with even a chance of getting sponsored if you know people over there. I do know a few people that got sponsored and got a visa through an immigration lawyer who was willing to turn a blind eye and get the visa type that was most liekly to get processed and accepted. Also if you have a social security number (from a J-1 visa visit) its easier applying for jobs, getting an apartment etc.

There are so many different types of visa classes in the US. You said you have your own business here, I do know there are certain business visas that are available. The only other one you could probably get (like my friend) is a trainee visa. visapro.com is a good website that has information about all types of visas. But if they check all your bank records and see your debts they probably wouldnt issue you a visa.

The world is a huge place so I wouldn't just look at America as the be all and end all of places.

If you do go anywhere I would suggest clearing your debts first though. It's stressful enough moving/living in a foreign country. Having big debts hanging over your head won't help.

Good Luck!!