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Unmarked Garda car on Northern plate??

  • 14-05-2006 9:09pm
    #1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,336 ✭✭✭


    Bizarre experience on the way up to Dublin from Monaghan last night on that new stretch of Carrick bypass (single carraigeway, long straight but only 100kph limit).

    Was doing 100kph exactly along here when a silver mondeo sped right up my hole, thought 'boy-racer' at first since there was a solid blue tint off the sidelights but then copped the huge ariel on top and the now visable small 'garda' sign hung under his rear view mirror (sign was hard to see but was obviously designed to flash if he'd turned it on).

    Stayed about 3 feet from my bumper for a mile or so, then switched the blue side lights to white, pulled out to pass me (with inches to spare) and sped off into the distance. Was very surprised to see a yellow RIL xxx as the reg.

    Pissed me off a little as he was clearly trying to goad me into speeding up, there was nothing ahead of me, long straight road and zero neccessity to tailgate me. Anyone else encounted this?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,958 ✭✭✭✭RuggieBear




  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 16,659 ✭✭✭✭dahamsta


    Didn't get the boy racer car, but I got caught speeding a good few years ago when a Camry drove right up my ass for a while on a perfectly straight road. I pulled in to let him pass but he just stuck to me, so I sped up to get him off my hole. Needless to say he pulled me shortly afterwards. I hope he dies a slow and painful death.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,676 ✭✭✭✭smashey


    Personally, if I was pulled over by the Gardai and they were driving a northern reg. car, I would tell them to go and f**k themselves.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,800 ✭✭✭county


    thats pretty hard to believe


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,680 ✭✭✭Skyuser


    smashey wrote:
    Personally, if I was pulled over by the Gardai and they were driving a northern reg. car, I would tell them to go and f**k themselves.
    I'm sure ya would :rolleyes:


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,676 ✭✭✭✭smashey


    Skyuser wrote:
    I'm sure ya would :rolleyes:

    Correct. Living along the border opens your eyes to a whole lot of things.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,623 ✭✭✭Corben Dallas


    Not a garda vehicle.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 212 ✭✭Longrangedriver


    Bluehair wrote:
    Bizarre experience on the way up to Dublin from Monaghan last night on that new stretch of Carrick bypass (single carraigeway, long straight but only 100kph limit).

    Was doing 100kph exactly along here when a silver mondeo sped right up my hole, thought 'boy-racer' at first since there was a solid blue tint off the sidelights but then copped the huge ariel on top and the now visable small 'garda' sign hung under his rear view mirror (sign was hard to see but was obviously designed to flash if he'd turned it on).

    Stayed about 3 feet from my bumper for a mile or so, then switched the blue side lights to white, pulled out to pass me (with inches to spare) and sped off into the distance. Was very surprised to see a yellow RIL xxx as the reg.

    Pissed me off a little as he was clearly trying to goad me into speeding up, there was nothing ahead of me, long straight road and zero neccessity to tailgate me. Anyone else encounted this?

    :confused: I'm not totally surprised at this, as only a while back I was driving from Dundalk to Castleblaney on the N53, when out of nowhere a greenish coloured Mondeo with 'TIB' (Armagh plates), with two occupants appeared behind me, I think from the turn for Crossmaglen. At first It didn't even bother me, being used to seeing alot of northern plates in this area. I drove on and went through Cullaville in South Armagh, and out past here the road goes back to southern roads, were the car was still trailling me. Then they overtook me and as passing me, I peeked slightly towards them and saw two men in dark uniforms. They didn't even make any eye contact towards me, and drove on. At this stage I began to get a bit weary as what I saw in front of me was a possibly green Mondeo with 2-3 ariels on top with two guys in dark uniforms. I kept back from the car and let them take off, and when got to the site I was visiting in Castleblaney, I mentioned this to the customer, and he said that its been reported a lot in these areas where northern (mainly) and southern cops would travel continuously through the county borders, as roads go from north to south.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,815 ✭✭✭✭Anan1


    smashey wrote:
    Personally, if I was pulled over by the Gardai and they were driving a northern reg. car, I would tell them to go and f**k themselves.

    On what grounds? A Guard is a Guard, regardless of what car they're driving.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,680 ✭✭✭Skyuser


    This is the way forward. We need unmarked cars all over the country keeping near cars to track their speed and then BAM! on with the blue lights...2 penalty points... badda bing badda bo !!
    Little sh!ts that can't even see over the wheel won't be speeding around in 'tarted up cars' [lmao, Pat Kenny's name for modified cars]


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 212 ✭✭Longrangedriver


    smashey wrote:
    Personally, if I was pulled over by the Gardai and they were driving a northern reg. car, I would tell them to go and f**k themselves.


    F-that, unless your mad, why would anyone stop for a 'Garda' in northern colours, my life is worth more than 2 penalty points or a misunderstanding.

    Personally I would get on the blower, dial 999 and ask questions, if I had the time to think about it that is, as you here too many reports of incidents were fake unmarked cars are used to loure someone from they're car or truck.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,676 ✭✭✭✭smashey


    Anan1 wrote:
    On what grounds? A Guard is a Guard, regardless of what car they're driving.

    Did you ever think of the possibility that all official Gardai vehicles would have to be supplied by the State and registered here?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,329 ✭✭✭jetsonx


    Bluehair wrote:
    Pissed me off a little as he was clearly trying to goad me into speeding up, there was nothing ahead of me,


    I have heard two previous cases on the M50 where drivers are goaded into
    driving faster by an unmarked garda car driving IN FRONT of them and then accelerating...wanting the victim to emulate them....cunning little tricks our force play - the devil makes work for idle hands as they say!

    as for unmarked cars, in Dublin they are now using TAXIS


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,815 ✭✭✭✭Anan1


    smashey wrote:
    Did you ever think of the possibility that all official Gardai vehicles would have to be supplied by the State and registered here?

    We all know that. Did you ever think of the possibility that Guards mightn't always drive official Garda vehicles?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,676 ✭✭✭✭smashey


    Anan1 wrote:
    We all know that. Did you ever think of the possibility that Guards mightn't always drive official Garda vehicles?

    Maybe, but i'm pretty sure the right solicitor would have something to say about it. ;)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,247 ✭✭✭✭Guy:Incognito


    Yeah I'd like to see the gard try to prove he isnt living/earning in the state. :) Maybe Bertie should look into the wonderful world of northern reg car driving.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,484 ✭✭✭✭Stephen


    If some 'garda' in an unmarked car tries to pull me over or anything, I ain't f**king stopping. They could be anyone. They can call a marked squad car if they want.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,610 ✭✭✭✭Victor


    I saw two lads being arrested yesterday and put into the back of a Fiat Punto. :D
    RuggieBear wrote:
    You mean the "nothing squad" (it used to be "nutting squad").
    jetsonx wrote:
    as for unmarked cars, in Dublin they are now using TAXIS
    I think that was for getting office based staff to site, not for patrolling.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,387 ✭✭✭✭jimmycrackcorm


    I doubt you could get a conviction for failing to stop for a northern registered "garda" car.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,925 ✭✭✭RainyDay


    jetsonx wrote:
    I have heard two previous cases on the M50 where drivers are goaded into
    driving faster by an unmarked garda car driving IN FRONT of them and then accelerating...wanting the victim to emulate them....
    This sounds like a shaggy dog story. Is having a car accelerate in from of you such a huge temptation?


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,559 ✭✭✭Tipsy Mac


    I had an unmarked Focus drive right up my hole a couple of days ago, I couldn't see his back front wheels in my rear view mirror he was that close, this was on a 50kmh stretch of road and he was clearly trying to put pressure on me to increase speed as the road was wide and clear and he made no attempt to overtake. This kind of thing sickens me and I am sorry now I didn't jam on the breaks and have him test his airbags :D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,038 ✭✭✭Litcagral


    Bluehair wrote:
    Bizarre experience on the way up to Dublin from Monaghan last night on that new stretch of Carrick bypass (single carraigeway, long straight but only 100kph limit).

    Was doing 100kph exactly along here when a silver mondeo sped right up my hole, thought 'boy-racer' at first since there was a solid blue tint off the sidelights but then copped the huge ariel on top and the now visable small 'garda' sign hung under his rear view mirror (sign was hard to see but was obviously designed to flash if he'd turned it on).

    Stayed about 3 feet from my bumper for a mile or so, then switched the blue side lights to white, pulled out to pass me (with inches to spare) and sped off into the distance. Was very surprised to see a yellow RIL xxx as the reg.

    Pissed me off a little as he was clearly trying to goad me into speeding up, there was nothing ahead of me, long straight road and zero neccessity to tailgate me. Anyone else encounted this?


    I was on the M50 a couple of Sunday's ago and I passed a Mondeo which also had Fermanagh registration plates. It caught my attention because it had three antennae, a VHF, a UHF and the standard fitted one. The four male occupants appeared to be wearing PSNI uniforms and there were peaked caps placed in the rear window shelf. (The car was also equipped with TV screens in the rear of the front seat headrests).

    While I know that the PSNI occasionally travel to the South for meetings etc., I didn't think they were allowed to do so in uniform.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,680 ✭✭✭Skyuser


    Litcagral wrote:
    The car was also equipped with TV screens in the rear of the front seat headrests
    Good for some with their in car entertainment.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,610 ✭✭✭✭Victor


    Tipsy Mac wrote:
    I couldn't see his back front wheels in my rear view mirror he was that close
    Where on the veh-hickle were these back front wheels fitted?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 52 ✭✭dezine


    Victor wrote:
    Where on the veh-hickle were these back front wheels fitted?

    on the back front of course.. :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,787 ✭✭✭prospect


    Jeepers, there's plenty of azzholes on the roads bombing around, lane hopping, tailgating, using bus lanes and driving dangerously without the Gardai having to try and force somebody into breaking the speed limit.
    Some day they will be up the wrong persons rear bumper and they will lash on the brakes and the Press will have a field day on it......

    "Unmarked Gardai rear-end innocent motorist while trying to bully him into breaking the speed limit"


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,146 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_


    Tipsy Mac wrote:
    I had an unmarked Focus drive right up my hole a couple of days ago, I couldn't see his back front wheels in my rear view mirror he was that close, this was on a 50kmh stretch of road and he was clearly trying to put pressure on me to increase speed as the road was wide and clear and he made no attempt to overtake. This kind of thing sickens me and I am sorry now I didn't jam on the breaks and have him test his airbags :D
    Someone here recently wondered aloud if it'd be a good idea to have cameras fitted to his car front and rear..

    If the boys and girls in blue are pulling stunts like this now to meet their quotas then it'd definitely be worth doing. I'd say you'd have a good case to get THEM done for dangerous driving if you played back the tape.

    Wouldn't this whole goading/pressuring you to speed up tactic fall under entrapment anyway?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,994 ✭✭✭ambro25


    Tipsy Mac wrote:
    I had an unmarked Focus drive right up my hole a couple of days ago, (etc)

    Was it red and a saloon-shape, instead of the usual hatch-shape?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 465 ✭✭Kermitt


    AFAIK, you have the right to call the gardaí and check if an unmarked car is legit before you pull over and jump out. Think there was a case about this a few years ago where a guy was carjacked by two lads posing as special branch gardaí


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,559 ✭✭✭Tipsy Mac


    ambro25 wrote:
    Was it red and a saloon-shape, instead of the usual hatch-shape?

    Yes with a 2004 Dublin reg.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,146 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_


    Tipsy Mac wrote:
    Yes with a 2004 Dublin reg.
    Probably the same one that's been cruising up and down the N3 the last week or so.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,559 ✭✭✭Tipsy Mac


    Kaiser2000 wrote:
    Probably the same one that's been cruising up and down the N3 the last week or so.

    Yeah I took the reg and was going to make a complaint but thought the general hassle and agro I would receive from them until it was dropped wouldn't be worth it.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,680 ✭✭✭Skyuser


    Kermitt wrote:
    AFAIK, you have the right to call the gardaí and check if an unmarked car is legit before you pull over and jump out. Think there was a case about this a few years ago where a guy was carjacked by two lads posing as special branch gardaí
    They have to show their badge.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,415 ✭✭✭Gatster


    There has to be huge legal implications to this, aside from VRT etc. Do Northern French police drive Belgium plated cars or vice-versa? A good brief could rip this apart


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 212 ✭✭Longrangedriver


    Litcagral wrote:

    While I know that the PSNI occasionally travel to the South for meetings etc., I didn't think they were allowed to do so in uniform.


    Lately personnel from Garda HQ have been picking up the PSNI cops etc from northern areas to escort them to Dublin for ;) collusion meetings;) . Also they are not allowed to travel in uniform or foreign state unmarked patrol cars.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,994 ✭✭✭ambro25


    Tipsy Mac wrote:
    Yes with a 2004 Dublin reg.
    Kaiser2000 wrote:
    Probably the same one that's been cruising up and down the N3 the last week or so.

    Well, I know it might not be the same undercovers driving it at all times, but that particular one stopped me in Nov'04 across from the Yellow House in Rathfarnham, and the guys alleged all sorts. Weather was beautiful (enough to have top down, I was in MX5, t'was on yellows then as I'd not moved permanently yet).

    Basically, they were just about to come out of Rathfarnham Castle car park as I passed by towards Yellow House, doing 35 mph or so (light was amber). They screeched the sh*t out of their tyres outta the car park, only to drop the anchors 200 yards further at the lights, window down, badge up, 'pull over now!' (I was already stopped :rolleyes: ) - then proceeded to read me the riot act as I was supposedly "driving past them at 60 mph" etc. I eventually sent them packing after 10 minutes, once they'd served me enough aggro to get me angry & have at them :mad:

    They were disrespectful, tried to be intimidating from the off, and factually incorrect/asserting merrily with no proof whatsoever.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,399 ✭✭✭kluivert


    Good old Carrickmacross...homeland to the infamous Fiddlers.

    There is Garda presence on that road but not unmarked cars. There is a speed trap at the old Lisdonal Towel Factory. Normal they are sitting there in their white van.

    Boys heading to Dublin leave their cars and vans there as well so you cant tell if its the Gardas or not.

    To the OP, it sounds like boy racer taking the mick.

    The aerial is so the boys can talk to each other over the radio. The blue lights are blue bulbs which can be bought in any motor shop and I wouldnt pull over unless I could visible see uniforms etc.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,506 ✭✭✭woody


    I checked with the Plod well a friend in the Traffic corps it is not a cop car, nor is it legal to have a State Car Reg'd with NI Plates


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 3,935 Mod ✭✭✭✭Turner


    Bluehair wrote:
    Bizarre experience on the way up to Dublin from Monaghan last night on that new stretch of Carrick bypass (single carraigeway, long straight but only 100kph limit).

    Was doing 100kph exactly along here when a silver mondeo sped right up my hole, thought 'boy-racer' at first since there was a solid blue tint off the sidelights but then copped the huge ariel on top and the now visable small 'garda' sign hung under his rear view mirror (sign was hard to see but was obviously designed to flash if he'd turned it on).

    Stayed about 3 feet from my bumper for a mile or so, then switched the blue side lights to white, pulled out to pass me (with inches to spare) and sped off into the distance. Was very surprised to see a yellow RIL xxx as the reg.

    Pissed me off a little as he was clearly trying to goad me into speeding up, there was nothing ahead of me, long straight road and zero neccessity to tailgate me. Anyone else encounted this?


    Definitely not a garda car.

    Some prick with home made lights and signs.


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