this hand just didn't feel right

Mr. Flibble

This hand is from a 6max .50/.1 NLH game.

Recently I had been playing quite LA, called an all in with a flush draw, reraised all in (twice the pot) with KJ on J78 flop and basically been playing pretty fast (by my standards anyway) so my image is probably one of reckless abandon.

I'm in the BB with AcJc ($70). UTG folds, Villian ($101) rasies to $4 and folded to me and I call.

Flop J73 all spades (pot: $8.50).

I check, villian raises $8, I reraise to $16 and villian calls.

Turn is 7c (pot: $40.50).

What do you do? Check fold/call/raise, raise or push?

Tar.Aldarion

Dunno, probably check and see what he does. Maybe check call/raise. Depends on the player.

valor

First off, I fold pf, I dont like playing AJ oop

On the flop id raise to 25 and then push any non spade QK turn

As played, bet 25

pok3rplaya

Mr. Flibble wrote:

This hand is from a 6max .50/.1 NLH game.

Recently I had been playing quite LA, called an all in with a flush draw, reraised all in (twice the pot) with KJ on J78 flop

Thats not playing LA, it's throwing away money.

Mr. Flibble wrote:

I'm in the BB with AcJc ($70). UTG folds, Villian ($101) rasies to $4 and folded to me and I call.

I fold from the BB. Your OOP and too easily dominated.

Mr. Flibble wrote:

Flop J73 all spades (pot: $8.50).

I check, villian raises $8, I reraise to $16 and villian calls.

Horrible check. You give a free chance for any spade to check behind and outdraw you. I would have bet $8.

If you really must check-raise, make it a decent one. Any spade still has odds to call your little minraise here.

Mr. Flibble wrote:

Turn is 7c (pot: $40.50).

What do you do? Check fold/call/raise, raise or push?

Don't make the same mistake you did on the flop. Your in this deep so bet $25- $30.

Mr. Flibble

pok3rplaya wrote:

Thats not playing LA, it's throwing away money.

It was image building at its finest, I'm an Artiste

pok3rplaya & valor wrote:

Fold PF

I agree, I would ususally.

pok3rplaya wrote:

Horrible check. You give a free chance for any spade to check behind and outdraw you. I would have bet $8.

Ok. Part of the reason I didn't check was because a continuation was highly likely. As he'd raised PF I didn't think he'd just check, especially if he held a spade. His PT stats said he was aggressive post flop. Also, I thought if I bet out and was reraised I would have to fold, although I might get reraised with any As or TxTs.

pok3rplaya wrote:

If you really must check-raise, make it a decent one. Any spade still has odds to call your little minraise here.

Ok, I agree. My raise was one of trepidation. I was hoping to get away from the hand cheaishply if he 3 bet it - QQ KK AA was running through my head.
But I was giving him odds which was bad.

pok3rplaya wrote:

Don't make the same mistake you did on the flop. Your in this deep so bet $25- $30.

valor wrote:

As played, bet 25

Ok, so do you think I'm probably ahead at this stage of the game? If I rasie $25 and am reraised its an insta call right, $25 more into a $115 pot? I did raise here, but really didn't like it. I couldn't imagine getting called by anything that I was beating.

pok3rplaya

Mr. Flibble wrote:

It was image building at its finest, I'm an Artiste

I don't mean to bust your balls but seriously, that sounds like a lame excuse for playing like a fish.

Mr. Flibble wrote:

I agree, I would ususally.

So whats different this time?

Mr. Flibble wrote:

Ok. Part of the reason I didn't check was because a continuation was highly likely. As he'd raised PF I didn't think he'd just check, especially if he held a spade. His PT stats said he was aggressive post flop.

Fair enough, catching people out on continuation bets can be a good play sometimes. This really isn't the board to do it on though, especially without any spade.

Mr. Flibble wrote:

Also, I thought if I bet out and was reraised I would have to fold, although I might get reraised with any As or TxTs.

Whats wrong with folding to great shows of strength when we have weak hands?

Mr. Flibble wrote:

Ok, I agree. My raise was one of trepidation. I was hoping to get away from the hand cheaishply if he 3 bet it - QQ KK AA was running through my head.

If this was your thinking then you shouldn't be in the hand in the first place. Also you save yourself the problem of him 3 betting if you just bet out like I would have- he calls, we keep playing like we're ahead, he raises, we fold.

Mr. Flibble wrote:

Ok, so do you think I'm probably ahead at this stage of the game? If I rasie $25 and am reraised its an insta call right,

Maybe, maybe not - because of the way you've played the hand, we haven't got enough chips left (or current information) to be able to find out. Because of this, my assessment is that we've come this far and its still closeish so we might as well go the whole way. Yes, if you get raised you cant fold, even though you are most probably behind. A desperate fish flushdraw might just stick it all in here so we have to call.

Mr. Flibble wrote:

I couldn't imagine getting called by anything that I was beating.

Any spade, KJ, QJ, JT, J9. Depends on the opp.

Mr. Flibble

pok3rplaya wrote:

I don't mean to bust your balls but seriously, that sounds like a lame excuse for playing like a fish.

It was.

pok3rplaya wrote:

So whats different this time?

Because of my previous loose play I felt I may get paid by a weaker than usual holding.

pok3rplaya wrote:

Fair enough, catching people out on continuation bets can be a good play sometimes. This really isn't the board to do it on though, especially without any spade.

Ok. Noted.

pok3rplaya wrote:

Whats wrong with folding to great shows of strength when we have weak hands?

Giving away a pot with the best hand for one, which I may well have had. But I take your point, I'm in bad position and don't have a great hand to that board. I just felt a lot of hands would raise me if I bet out as I had been playing so aggressivly recently so didn't opt for it.


I don't mean to defend my play - I made this post because I wasn't happy with it. I'm just trying to give you insite to why I did what I did.

pok3rplaya wrote:

because of the way you've played the hand, we haven't got enough chips left (or current information) to be able to find out. Because of this, my assessment is that we've come this far and its still closeish so we might as well go the whole way. Yes, if you get raised you cant fold, even though you are most probably behind. A desperate fish flushdraw might just stick it all in here so we have to call.
Any spade, KJ, QJ, JT, J9. Depends on the opp.

Thanks for the info. Any more comments or shall I post the spoiler?

Hectorjelly

the check min raise is horrible. All it did was bloat the pot out of position with a really really crap holding. Try and keep the pot small in spots like this.

Mr. Flibble

So here's what happened.

The second seven came on the turn and I pushed my last $50 into the pot of $40 and Villain called instantly. So quick that I knew I was beat by a flush, overpair or a stupid A7.

But I was wrong, he had Jd8d and I couldn't believe he called the flop reraise or the turn push. I came out of the hand feeling very lucky and a little bewildered (and slightly hungry, but that's neither here nor there).

pok3rplaya

Mr. Flibble wrote:

It was.
Because of my previous loose play I felt I may get paid by a weaker than usual holding.

A loose image makes your strong hands get paid off better, not your weak ones.

MrPillowTalk

Defending your blind with AJ is fine here.

As HJ said the min raise is horrid.

you have to bet the hand at this point realistically you are not going to fold so may as well take a positive line