head up tourney, first hand

Norwich Fan Rob

$500 heads up tourney on stars.

stacks 1500 each, blinds 10/20

villian unknown apprently female korean player.

I get AJ on the button, raise to 60, re raised to 120, i call.

Flop comes JJT they lead for 200, i call, turn K check, check, river a 2, no flush on the board, they move all in.......................I call.........how do u like that ?

bubbleking

i think you should have reraised with the trips from the looks of things it looks like you were burned with AQ possibly KK very unlucky if he had KJ

a-k-47

i dont think she liked the king on the turn either, so pushed with the set but lower kicker?..

gerry87

22!

RoundTower

I think I would call, I'm not sure if it's right though. Depending on the player she could have quite a lot of hands here, a lot of bluffs and most of the hands that beat you might play like this. Do you think she can be value betting a worse hand, say QK or 9J?

cardshark202

she has KJ, KK, or some form of house. I would fold here, people are rarely going all-in on a bluff on these boardsw with that size overbet.

bubbleking

cardshark202 wrote:

she has KJ, KK, or some form of house. I would fold here, people are rarely going all-in on a bluff on these boardsw with that size overbet.

if a gun was put to my head id say KK. the reraise preflop, the bet of 200 on the flop and then checking the turn to open push on the river..maybe im wrong

Gholimoli

why not raise the flop bet?if she has a hand that she likes she will more than likely call you raise on the flop and she will not give you cridet for the J.if she has a hand that she dosent like your more htan likely not gonna get any more out of her any way so i think a raise on the flop is better play.
also why check the turn?if you think you have the best hand here which is very liekly ,your missing chances of getting more money from her.
i would call the bet at the end though as well .

Hitchhiker's Guide to...

the K seems to be the key thing here ... i'd definitely view it that you are, at best, splitting the pot...

fuzzbox

Since you checked the turn, you have to call now.
You induced the bluff, now call.

cardshark202

fuzzbox wrote:

Since you checked the turn, you have to call now.
You induced the bluff, now call.

Doesn't really look like a bluff though does it? Looks more like the nuthouse.

Ollieboy

Gholimoli wrote:

why not raise the flop bet?if she has a hand that she likes she will more than likely call you raise on the flop and she will not give you cridet for the J.if she has a hand that she dosent like your more htan likely not gonna get any more out of her any way so i think a raise on the flop is better play.
also why check the turn?if you think you have the best hand here which is very liekly ,your missing chances of getting more money from her.
i would call the bet at the end though as well .

totally aggree with this, I know when its heads up play, your trying to outsmart your opponent, but I think you might have got to smart here and now in trouble, but you want her to bet and she did, so you have to call. She could have AA here and be slow playing it to much also or 10 10, but thats not likely as she would have check the flop, nice hand heads up.

fuzzbox

cardshark202 wrote:

Doesn't really look like a bluff though does it? Looks more like the nuthouse.

Bluffs are supposed to look like nuthouses. That makes them more effective.

I call. trips with top kicker is no small hand when heads up.

Think about this ... why does she shove? Does she expect us to call with QQ? Or perhaps 99? What does our hand look like?

Norwich Fan Rob

i got the general impression from the look of the player, that she would bluff this on the river if i checked the turn..........i was a bit concerned with the river all in, but went with my original read, closed my eyes and called, i felt sure i was ahead and the check on the turn was to induce a bluff, i also believe after i showed weakness on the turn, a hand ahead of mine woulda value bet about 300 on the river.

The player had 5s7s, gg.

fuzzbox

How did you get the general impression from the look of the player in a HU tourney on Stars?

Was it video conferenced in?

Gholimoli

fuzzbox wrote:

How did you get the general impression from the look of the player in a HU tourney on Stars?

Was it video conferenced in?

Fuz at his best.lol:D

Bandana boy

fuzzbox wrote:

How did you get the general impression from the look of the player in a HU tourney on Stars?

Was it video conferenced in?

First hand in tourney at that

Trips is massive in Heads up you call this 100%
of the time

The C Kid

It was probably some high school kid with an avatar of Liz Lieu.

NickyOD

I think you misplayed every street.

Jaden

I agree.

Preflop with AJ. The raise (3xBB) is too small, try 5xBB. Facing a min reraise (ugh), raise 3 x bet back.

Once the flop came down, I would never have let it get further without at least a pot sized bet, which in this case would have meant pushing (1140 left, 720 in the pot).

Hectorjelly

Jaden wrote:

I agree.

Preflop with AJ. The raise (3xBB) is too small, try 5xBB. Facing a min reraise (ugh), raise 3 x bet back.

Once the flop came down, I would never have let it get further without at least a pot sized bet, which in this case would have meant pushing (1140 left, 720 in the pot).

noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

preflop the raise is fine. a raise to 2.5bb would be fine. A raise to 5bb is far too much. This is HU, we are in position and have a good hand. 5bb is too much even out of position

once he is reraised reraising 3* bet is pretty bad. What do we do if he calls? If he pushes? No way is trying to get all in with AJ on the 1st hand of a hu stt a good plan. Calling is best here.

On the flop I like a raise here if you are playing 9 handed and several people saw the flop. HU with position a raise is really really bad. His most likely hand is two unconnected cards with no outs. If he checked betting would be good, but a raise here gives him a good chance to get away from an overpair, and stops a guy bluffing. Sounds great!

Hectorjelly

NickyOD wrote:

I think you misplayed every street.

Preflop is fine
Flop is good
turn is marginal - a bet is better than a check depending on how often you think your opponent has reached this point with either a draw or good hand (that we beat), rather than a hand with no outs (ie lets give him a chance to bluff). The fact that there is 3 broadway cards tilts it slightly towards betting I think.
river is good!

Norwich Fan Rob

the reason for the turn check is because if they have a draw the K can only have helped, whether it completely the str8 or they hit the K with a hand like KQ.........so betting is bad, also, and primarily, i sensed the player to be the type that would bluff the river, i feel if i show strenght on the turn, they might give the hand up........(just a feeling, and no fuzz, it wasnt a video conference, although if she look liked the girl in her avateur, i wish it was).

Hectorjelly

Norwich Fan Rob wrote:

or they hit the K with a hand like KQ.........so betting is bad, also,

Is the opposite not true? If they have KQ they will probably call a bet, push they have outs so you may as well make them pay. I think the more likely they are to have KQ the more you should bet.

Norwich Fan Rob

they lead river or call a river bet with KQ, if an ace comes to give them top str8, i fill up........only bad card would be a 9.

Samba

Erm...?


Im paying the house off here if she has it, In HU play you can safely call this bet all day long and make a good profit.

However, the house is not my concern, that she does not have.

She has AQ and has duly boned you because of your flop play.

The problem here is that AQ is a monster HU and people like to call bets with A high, so she may well have called a Flop raise, we'll never know now.

The dilema is, you want AQ calling your bets and raises until the cows come home!

20 Eur on AQ

JustMac

Samba wrote:

Erm...?
20 Eur on AQ

I'll cover that bet.


(He's already given the outcome on the previous page)

Samba

Whoopsie,

Hurridly read the post and did not see results.

Norwich, theres a tenner in it for you if you edit villains holding to AQ.

Either way, im calling this bet all day long and paying off the house/straight.

Nice donation.

fuzzbox

Norwich Fan Rob wrote:

the reason for the turn check is because if they have a draw the K can only have helped, whether it completely the str8 or they hit the K with a hand like KQ.........so betting is bad, also, and primarily, i sensed the player to be the type that would bluff the river, i feel if i show strenght on the turn, they might give the hand up........(just a feeling, and no fuzz, it wasnt a video conference, although if she look liked the girl in her avateur, i wish it was).

Betting is NOT bad if you think villain has a draw, why do you have that idea?
Betting is GOOD if you think villain has a draw ... as they are more likely to pay to draw, than they are to bluff when they miss. And in this case its even better, as you fill up with the Ace, and you can charge em to draw, and then get the rest when they hit.

Betting is bad if you think villain has a smaller made hand than yours, with hardly any/no outs, and will either bluff the river, or pay off one of your bets reasonably regularly.

Since this is the first hand .... I would be inclined to bet, especially as villain min-reraised you preflop and there are 3 broadway cards on the board. If the board was JJ42r then I would prefer a check.

In this case, it worked out well, because villain is a lunatic, but you could not know that.