Bad Call, Standard Call or Good Call?

MrPillowTalk

10/20 4 handed

villain can play, Ive probably played him three sessions a week for the past month or so, he knows my game well and I his.

Me on the button with AhKh folded to me I bet out 70 (3400 back)
SB folds
BB villain flat calls for 50 (820 back)

Flop comes Q 2 2 rainbow

villain checks
I lead for 130
villain raises to 550

This raise looks to me like he wants to snap off what he correctly has identified as my continuation bet, I dont believe he will raise me so much with a queen or a two and about 75% of the time he would have raised me pre flop with a pp, but it is plausible he has a mid pp and wants to take the pot here.

I decide I am probably good and seeing as a call only leaves him 270 back I push.

He thinks and calls with AJ and I rake the pot.

I think this is pretty standard but villain and one of the others moaned about how bad a push it was for about an hour, whilst the other player thought it was good play on my part.

I know its not a massive winner play to get your cash in with Ace high but I think a fold here would have been akin to bending over?

BigDragon

MrPillowTalk wrote:

.............This raise looks to me like he wants to snap off what he correctly has identified as my continuation bet, I dont believe he will raise me so much with a queen or a two and about 75% of the time he would have raised me pre flop with a pp............

Enough said......Good play for the level.

bill_ashmount

I'm no expert, but i think you called it perfectly.

breadmonkey

Put yourself in the viallain's position: What do you think your AJ beats that makes you call?

a-k-47

nice play. if he wanted the pot so bad he should of pushed the rest.

jbravado

Wish I could make a call like this and consider it "standard!"Gutsy call man,nice work!

Ste05

Based on read - Standard Push, based on the amount of history with the Villain, I think you correctly went with your read and made a standard push.

It's 4 handed, he could put on quite a quite wide range Pre-Flop here, hence his pre-flop calling range was also wider than normal, (i.e. wider than a PP) and therefore you made the correct push.

Standard.

ianmc38

His bet stinks of a bluff knowing that yours was a continuation bet. At 1/2 or 2/4 that would be a standard call for me against many regulars.

RoundTower

I don't like it and don't think it is standard at all. I think he has a pair here often enough and if he keeps doing this, some time he will do it when you have a real hand. If he constantly does this I will call him down with AK high but he is getting away with it the first time.

I also think you should post hands without results, just say I bet 130, he makes it 550 with 270 behind, now what?

Lafortezza

Terrible play by villain.

How deep does Villain have to be before you chicken out and fold the the c/r?

Goodluck2me

surely a push here by the villain would be a much worse bet, as it stinks much more of weakness and he is pot committed here anyway. id say if you have a read and think hes at it then you go with it, what good is a read of you dont act on it. if your pretty sure he has none of it then push, and against any pair you have 24% chance to hit do 1 in 4 your beating a Q with kicker lower than J. so if you think he does this 75% of time with Aj then its a good call.

Goodluck2me

surely a push here by the villain would be a much worse bet, as it stinks much more of weakness and he is pot committed here anyway. id say if you have a read and think hes at it then you go with it, what good is a read of you dont act on it. if your pretty sure he has none of it then push, and against any pair you have 24% chance to hit do 1 in 4 your beating a Q with kicker lower than J. so if you think he does this 75% of time with Aj then its a good call.

MrPillowTalk

lafortezza wrote:

Terrible play by villain.

How deep does Villain have to be before you chicken out and fold the the c/r?

If I decide I am going to play the hand then it doesnt realy matter how much he has up to say him having 1500 back.

If he is playing more than 1500 back then I will probably go away. Dont get me wrong it is not often I get it in with ace high but I tend to take a stand if I feel I am being bullied ( this character trait can on accasion leave me looking very stupid )

MrPillowTalk

goodluck2me wrote:

surely a push here by the villain would be a much worse bet, as it stinks much more of weakness and he is pot committed here anyway. id say if you have a read and think hes at it then you go with it, what good is a read of you dont act on it. if your pretty sure he has none of it then push, and against any pair you have 24% chance to hit do 1 in 4 your beating a Q with kicker lower than J. so if you think he does this 75% of time with Aj then its a good call.

He doesnt do it 75% of the time with aj, I think he played this well but the size of his bet just didnt fit the way he usually plays, plus I know he thinks I go after every flop. If he had raised it to 390 which would be his standard raise with a queen here then I would have gone away.

ocallagh

I think you made a good play against a player you know well. It was a mistake on your villains part though. I'd say he learned something from that hand!