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AK dont pay the fisherman

  • 09-05-2006 4:12pm
    #1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,337 ✭✭✭


    NL 1-2 6 max
    hero BB with AK Stack 200+
    Villain 1 UTG no hoper Stack 22
    Villain 2 UTG+1 lag stack 110 one might say he has yet to meet a hand he doesnt like

    UTG makes it 22 all in to play
    but he has done this twice in last round with any a5 a8 busted and reloaded to the princely sum of 25

    UTG+1 calls
    Called one of our no hopers all in 30 raises with KT and busted him out stack has been up and down.


    all else fold Pot $47 21 to call

    Votes for push
    Votes for raise
    Votes for call
    votes for Fold (only kidding)

    Action


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,434 ✭✭✭cardshark202


    NL 1-2 6 max
    hero BB with AK Stack 200+
    Villain 1 UTG no hoper Stack 22
    Villain 2 UTG+1 lag stack 110 one might say he has yet to meet a hand he doesnt like

    UTG makes it 22 all in to play
    but he has done this twice in last round with any a5 a8 busted and reloaded to the princely sum of 25

    UTG+1 calls
    Called one of our no hopers all in 30 raises with KT and busted him out stack has been up and down.


    all else fold Pot $47 21 to call

    Votes for push
    Votes for raise
    Votes for call
    votes for Fold (only kidding)

    Action

    Ah yeah push.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,083 ✭✭✭RoundTower


    push.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,467 ✭✭✭Norwich Fan Rob


    Push


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,296 ✭✭✭valor


    easy push


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,254 ✭✭✭fuzzbox


    Stick it in.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,785 ✭✭✭✭Paul Tergat


    Ship It!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,537 ✭✭✭Ste05


    I'm going for a slightly different line here ..... All-In!!!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,337 ✭✭✭Bandana boy


    So we agree push
    What are we hoping to happen with a push


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,646 ✭✭✭cooker3


    utg + 1 to either fold say a pair or ideally call with AQ etc, if he calls with pair then still 50-50 and folding equity you get with push makes it nice and profitable


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,537 ✭✭✭Ste05


    So we agree push
    What are we hoping to happen with a push
    Doesn't matter what the results were, if LAG folds, then we have dead money in the pot = :)

    If he calls then, his range is alot wider that AA/KK, and only these 2 hands have us in bad shape. Every other hand he could have will leave us with extra equity in the pot. = :)

    The results are irrelevant (although interesting all the same :rolleyes:). If either of them had AA or KK then so be it, they won't the next time.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,337 ✭✭✭Bandana boy


    Yeah interesting hand
    LAG called with 9T no hoper had A9
    Of course the T hits on river but of no consequence to the decision

    i would expect 9t to fold here but then i would expect 9t to fold to the 22 as well
    As i was wondering how on earth he called of all his stack with 9t I asked myself what i wanted the push to achieve
    And my thought process was AA KK i am essentially beat and going to lose my stack so push call same difference
    Pocket pair under KK (who i have no problem playing) probably call 99-QQ definetely
    And AQ AJ AT etc should fold

    So in general I get the hands i am most likely to beat to fold and the hands that it is 50 -50 to call
    this can be good for when i do get AA/KK but maybe some flop play would be a little better


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,254 ✭✭✭fuzzbox


    He will call you with AQ/AJ here for sure (hell he called with T9 which you are a substantial favourite over).


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,337 ✭✭✭Bandana boy


    I get the feeling he would have called with the rules of bridge and the 2 of diamonds
    But maybe slightly more sensible players (but still LAG)would fold the 80 back but as first to speak would push a rag flop into a 68 pot
    As i have already decided to play this hand to the death is this a better choice ?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,254 ✭✭✭fuzzbox


    No, you want him to call with the rules of bride and the 2d, you are a huge favourite !!

    You want him to CALL when you have a favourable situation, not push him off the hand on the flop.

    You did good, you got the shallow end of the variance pool. Reload, and get him again.


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