Outdoor Arrows

Panserborn

Howye

Looking to start outdoor shooting but I'm sure the linebreaker arrows I use for indoor are pretty useless outside with wind n'all. Few questions ................

Firstly, I can get 12 Redline arrows for EUR 129 or 8 ACC for EUR 137 - all fully built. I like the idea of more arrows so the Redlines are looking good but are the ACCs worth the extra couple of quid?

Secondly, the Easton Arrow Selector program recommends 0.410 spine for Redline and 3-39 or 3-49 for ACC, do these sound fine for outdoor?

Finally, the whole kurly vane thing. Are they the way to go for outdoors and what size works best?

toxof

What draw lenght and poundage are you.. 400 spine seems very stiff.

ACC would be better. The problem with redlines is if they go in the grass it will be very hard to find. The acc's will show up on a metal detector.

Panserborn

Got a 30" draw and a 50lbs compound. Also use a 38lbs recurve but I'm concentrating on the compound at the moment.

toxof

That Spine should be fine for the compound then...

I would still go for ACC, tripples etc. Anything with metal in them..

Panserborn

Cool, thanks.

What about kurly vanes? Are they worth the effort?

toxof

Not for compound. Just just small plasti-fletches,

Renegade_Archer

Speaking from experience, RedLines *suck ass* in the wind. They are thick, and light, a bad combination for outdoors. I would recommend the Triples myself. But use Beiter nocks. Cartel nocks == ass.

Panserborn

Thanks for the info, Redlines seem not to be the way to go. Looks like it will be a race between acc and triples for the cheapest price!

lilRedSmurf

Get some Navigators!!

There in the same price range and I've put mine thru hell as in compound hell (and walls/doors/trees etc...) and they're still perfect a year later. And metal detectors love them!

corkarcher

I'm sort of in the same situation.. Been shooting for 8/9 months and there's no way im going past 50m with my jazzes... But i was thinking, are Redlines fine for starting off, I mean, can't I always upgrade to A/Cs in the future? And at this stage I dont want to pay too much for carbons yet.. Does anybody think Redlines are reasonable for starting off, or even Vectors, theyre not that much dearer..

Renegade_Archer

I really wouldn't bother my arse with RedLines at all... they're no use in any kind of cross wind. And as mentioned, they're a pain in the ass to find due to their all-carbon nature. Get some form of A/C arrow. My recommendation is the Triple, but nearly any A/C arrow will out-perform a RedLine. Back in my FITA900 days, I gained 60 points going from RedLines to ACEs.

corkarcher

I suppose I'll wait a while and spend the money on A/Cs, I'm missing the whole outdoor season anyway cos of my jr cert.. If i got A/Cs would I use them indoors too? Would they make much difference?

Renegade_Archer

You can use A/Cs indoors - in fact the likes of Frangilli recommend them over X7s, as he reckons they are more forgiving than X7s - one thing to be careful is grouping damage - if you're shooting well you can easily crack them, so if you're grouping arrows together go for a three spot target. That said, I still use X7s indoors, mainly because I shoot at single spot targets, and I'm a cheap bastard.

lilRedSmurf

Renegade_Archer wrote:

...I'm a cheap...

Yup...:rolleyes:

Renegade_Archer wrote:

...bastard.

Yes again...:p


*runs off and hides*

corkarcher

While were still on the subject, is it easy to switch your bow configurations for aluminium for indoors and carbon for outdoors? Would you have to change much? Because I'd like to keep using aluminium arrows indoors if i can.

quigo

You probably will have to change the stiffness of you button (or buy another one) then move your arrow rest so it is correctly aligned with your (new:D ) button.
Depending on the nocks you are using, you may have to slightly alter your nocking point so the nock fits correctly. (ie x7 nocks being bigger than acc nocks, therefore taking up more space)

corkarcher

I could always buy a new bow

Panserborn

Cheaper to just buy a new button and rest . You can config each button/rest set for the various arrows and then just install them as ya need them.

toxof

You should have 1 set up for indoors and out doors. It prevents you having to spend weeks at the start of each season retuning your bow.

Panserborn

While we're on the subject of arrows .................

What do ye all use to stick flights to the shafts? No matter what glue we use (even "specially formulated for aluminium and carbon shafts" glue!!) the flights always pop off after a week or two. I've been told many conflicting things like: use acetone on the flight, use acetone on the shaft, use acetone on both, never use acetone, use Ajax etc etc etc. :rolleyes:

For arguments sake, if I was using carbon shafts and plastifletch flights, what is the best glue and proceadure to stick 'em so they don't budge?

toxof

acetone can be harmfull to the carbon but can be used in small amounts. What you should use before you put on any fletch is mets. Clean the shaft and the fletch. If you put on the plastifletch correctly and fully clean the shaft it should never come off no matter how bad your clearence. I personally cant get them that good, but i have seen them. If you plan on shooting outdoors then get kurly/spinwings. They are much better.

trig

How to fletch well

Renegade_Archer

I've had exactly one Kurly Vane come off on me (of course that had to happen in a shoot off in the national indoors a few years back... another story), and that was because they had been abused to hell and back. Even shooting through targets, a bit of thumb-manipulation and they are back in shootable condition. Easier to field-replace than a straight fletch too. I recently moved to X-Wings, more out of curiosity than a desire to move away from Kurly Vanes. I havn't had the opportunity to shoot them at any real outdoor distances yet, so cannot comment on their performance. But my indoor and outdoor competition PBs were both shot with Kurly Vanes. The day-glo colours are nice and visible through a spotting scope too

Panserborn

toxof wrote:

If you plan on shooting outdoors then get kurly/spinwings. They are much better.

For compound and recurve? Or just recurve?

toxof

There ok for both, but better for recurve.