Bus goes on rampage in Dublin.

colm_mcm

A woman has been killed and 13 other people, including five gardaí have been injured after being hit by a stolen bus in Dublin. The driver of the bus, a 36-year-old from Tallaght in Dublin, has been arrested.

The incident began when the man took the bus from a depot in Rathcoole early this morning following what gardaí believe was a row. There followed an incident at Heuston Station around midday.

At Bluebell the driver caused mayhem ploughing into cars resulting in the death of a woman. At three different locations gardaí fired shots in an attempt to stop the vehicle.

Witnesses have been asked to call the garda incident room at Kilmainham on 01 666 9700.

Huge traffic delays and restrictions are in place as gardaí attempt to contain the damage.

All inbound traffic on the Naas Road is being diverted at various junctions including the Red Cow and Longmile Road. Traffic diverting onto the Kylemore Road is redirected onto Walkinstown.

Outbound traffic on the Naas Road is down to one lane after the Long Mile Road junction. Motorists are asked to avoid the area.


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Atomic Pineapple

what an idiot, what would go throw your head to go and do that?

such a mess he left, all because he had a row with his boss, jaysus cant people deal with there problems in life in a civilised way anymore?

mike65

Not really our stuff really, so I'll boot this over to er Commuting/Transport

Mike.

ciarsd

RIP to the innocent lady/mother/grandmother/sister/daughter - its a disgrace.

colm_mcm

think it's terrible. that guy must've been completely insane, obviously not a spur of the moment thing. started early this morning

steve-o

rte.ie wrote:

At three different locations gardaí fired shots in an attempt to stop the vehicle.

Tools. Lucky they didn't take out any bystanders.

cassette50

lt was simply one mans solution to the ongoing conjestion on the naas road.

Victor

While, it would appear what the driver did was wrong, there but for the grace of God go a lot of us.

Who hasn't engaged in intemperate behavior on the roads?

parsi

Yes, but if it wasn't for the intransigence of Deco and Anto in Dublin Bus and indeed IE then none of this would have happened . Or maybe this is something that isn't the fault of the Unions..?

Transport21 Fan

parsi wrote:

Yes, but if it wasn't for the intransigence of Deco and Anto in Dublin Bus and indeed IE then none of this would have happened . Or maybe this is something that isn't the fault of the Unions..?

A woman died today in case you haven't noticed. This has nothing to do with the pro/anti CIE union argument. I suggest you consider the family in mourning tonight.

Fighting Irish

mike65 wrote:

Not really our stuff really, so I'll boot this over to er Commuting/Transport

Mike.

:rolleyes: commuting/transport

Victor

Fighting Irish wrote:

:rolleyes: commuting/transport

Thread was probably started on Motors, where Mike65 is mod.

Fighting Irish

Victor wrote:

Thread was probably started on Motors, where Mike65 is mod.

oh right, sorry then mike

haven't got a clue where this thread should be but it shouldn't be in here

parsi

Transport21 Fan wrote:

A woman died today in case you haven't noticed. This has nothing to do with the pro/anti CIE union argument. I suggest you consider the family in mourning tonight.

Perhaps you should think a bit more about the families of the people you constantly slag off...

Victor

Folks, someone died, lots of people injured, lives destroyed.

I would be grateful if we could keep this thread objective to the relevant matters.

mike65

I did think about the Law and DisOrder forum but we don't have one.

Mike.

aliveandkicking

What about the news forum because this has nothing to do with commuting.

mike65

Too late now

Mike.

SeanW

parsi wrote:

Perhaps you should think a bit more about the families of the people you constantly slag off...

And this has to do with the bus rampage ... what exactly?

A Dub in Glasgo

Why hasn't this guy been charged with murder?

AndrewMc

A Dub in Glasgo wrote:

Why hasn't this guy been charged with murder?

I'm guessing they want to charge him with something, anything, to keep him off the streets. They may be able to up the charges to manslaughter/murder later if they decide to do so? Perhaps somebody with a legal background can clarify.

civdef

As happened with Wayne O'Donoghue, murder charges can be made later on (before it goes to trial) if suitable evidence emerges.

paulm17781

civdef wrote:

As happened with Wayne O'Donoghue, murder charges can be made later on (before it goes to trial) if suitable evidence emerges.

Like hitting someone with a bus?

civdef

Like intent.

John R

A Dub in Glasgo wrote:

Why hasn't this guy been charged with murder?

Because what he did wouldn't support a murder charge.

If he had killed the bus company official who he allegedly intentionally tried to run over then a murder charge would be a possibility.

Gurgle

John R wrote:

Because what he did wouldn't support a murder charge.

tbh I'd be surprised if he even got done with assault.
Dangerous driving will be the height of it.

paulm17781

Gurgle wrote:

tbh I'd be surprised if he even got done with assault.
Dangerous driving will be the height of it.

He killed someone. Though it was unintentional, is that not what qualifies manslaughter?

skyhighflyer

Gurgle wrote:

tbh I'd be surprised if he even got done with assault.
Dangerous driving will be the height of it.

:rolleyes:

Well given that the mes rea for manslaughter can be anything from negligence upwards, I'd say that given the recklessness he displayed the DPP would have no problem getting a conviction for manslaughter if they so preferred...

skyhighflyer

John R wrote:

Because what he did wouldn't support a murder charge.

If he had killed the bus company official who he allegedly intentionally tried to run over then a murder charge would be a possibility.

Also, in this regard it's interesting to note that the Law Reform Commission's report on the mental element for murder a couple of years back recommended that the mental requirement (mens rea) for a murder charge be changed from the present 'intention to kill' to 'extreme disregard for the value of human life' or something similar.

Too bad our Government was on the ball as usual and didn't bother their collective holes to adopt the recommendation :mad:

An incident like this is exactly the type the LRC had under consideration when formulating the proposal. And this f***er could have been convicted as the murderer he is....

dermot_sheehan

skyhighflyer wrote:

Also, in this regard it's interesting to note that the Law Reform Commission's report on the mental element for murder a couple of years back recommended that the mental requirement (mens rea) for a murder charge be changed from the present 'intention to kill' to 'extreme disregard for the value of human life' or something similar.

Too bad our Government was on the ball as usual and didn't bother their collective holes to adopt the recommendation :mad:

An incident like this is exactly the type the LRC had under consideration when formulating the proposal. And this f***er could have been convicted as the murderer he is....

In fairness s. 4(2) of the Criminal Justice Act 1964 might come into play, it's the statutory presumption that a person intended the natural and probable consequences of their actions, the DPP could go to trial on a murder indictment arguing that the natural and probable consequences of his actions was the death of a person. Also interesting if the doctrine of transferred malice could come into play, he intended to kill X but ended up killing Y.

A Dub in Glasgo

Driving a bus into a car shows intent does it not?

The easiest way to get a light punishment for killing somebody is to smack tons of metal at high speed into somebody. You might get a fine or probation

shltter

A Dub in Glasgo wrote:

Driving a bus into a car shows intent does it not?

The easiest way to get a light punishment for killing somebody is to smack tons of metal at high speed into somebody. You might get a fine or probation

It shows disregard rather than intent ie he did not care whether he Killed the woman rather than actually intended to kill her

As someone said if he killed the company official he alledgedly drove at that would be intent.

I would imagine that the current charge is a holding charge whilst the state gathers evidence.