Can I have your Attention Please!

Dvs

Hello All,
this is probably a waste of time but.......

I would like to ask you to please restrain yourselves form pointing out possible shooting sports positive, oversights in the CJB bill and ammendments.

These boards are read for educational purposes by people who are not interested in anything but, putting as many restrictions on shooting sports and the private possession of firearms as they can.

Do not educate them, things said in jest here may very well be put into practice by some idiot.

A lot of posts were made in recent times related to changing a .22 rifle to a .223 ,Some people told how the just walk in to the local station and in a matter of hours they were shooting their .223............

well try it anywhere this week and you will be told, No make a new application....

we all know that this is in contravention of the firearms act as it stands,
but that counts for nothing in this Nanny state, where the enforcers of the law know better than anyone what is good for you, so much so they don't feel the need to work within the frame work of the law, just make it up as they go along and defy anyone to challenge them on it.


Make your own minds up, but think before you post.

Dvs.

Sparks

In fairness DvS, changing a .22lr to a .223 with no paperwork isn't exactly something that ought to happen, and I know damn well it wouldn't have been let happen by my local station where the FO actually knows something about the shooting sports.

And frankly, having seen the CJB, and the discussions about it in the Dail/Committee, I think the more education we get out there, the better, even if it costs us those little "loopholes" - so long as in return we get people not thinking that every .223 out there is an M-16 being used for nefarious purposes...

civdef

isn't exactly something that ought to happen

Why not?

Sparks

Because it wouldn't be fair to the rest of us who actually follow the rules for a start Civ. If I have to get a hefty safe, a monitored alarm and spend a fair amount of money on it, it's not exactly fair that someone can bend the rules and avoid that. We've been crying out for a single set of rules, administered fairly and evenly (and the NARGC's busy taking forty-odd court cases against Gardai in the pursuit of this); bit hypocritical of us to demand that and at the same time complain if we can't break those rules!

More importantly to the rest of the populus however, there's a fair bit of difference in lethality involved here, as well as range.

civdef

No, what rule is being bent by having someone change over a cert from a 22lr to a 223?

Sparks

Sorry civ, I was under the impression that you couldn't do a one-for-one swap from one calibre to another.

civdef

You can, it's even possible to change from shotgun to rifle - but not the other way round!

FIREARMS ACT, 1964 SECTION 11

Change of firearm to which firearm certificate relates. 11.—(1)

Subject to subsection (3) of this section, the Minister may substitute for the description of a firearm in a firearm certificate granted by him the description of another firearm and, upon such substitution, the certificate shall have effect in relation to that other firearm and shall not have effect in relation to the first-mentioned firearm.

(2) Subject to subsection (3) of this section, the Superintendent of any district or any member of the Garda Síochána in any district duly authorised to do so by the Superintendent of that district may substitute for the description of a firearm in a firearm certificate held by a person residing in that district the description of another firearm and, upon such substitution, the certificate shall have effect in relation to that other firearm and shall not have effect in relation to the first-mentioned firearm.

(3) A substitution under this section in a firearm certificate shall not be effected unless the rate of excise duty chargeable in respect of a renewal of the certificate after the substitution does not exceed the rate chargeable immediately before such substitution.