I don't play tourneys usually.....

AmarilloFats

Satellite on ladbrokes..
3 get tickets 4th gets cash
17 left.
Blinds @ 100/200
Average stack ~ 3400
My Stack 3000

Blinds have just gone up. 8 at my table.
I have raised preflop 3 out of the last 5 hands. Only at table 10 hands or so
I get JJ UTG, I make it 600.
Folded to Button( chipleader 11K) he makes it 1500.....??

Blinds fold
ACTION???????????????

bubbleking

fold and wait for a better position your not gonna be able to put him off the hand with a reraise all in and if you call your out of position on the flop. id put gim on AA-QQ although AK is possible. play will start to tighten up around the bubble with a lot of big stack bullying so id be looking to double up in the next few hands id even consider pushing soon enough with a high ace

fuzzbox

Shove

Rnger

CL's range is much wider than AA/KK/QQ/AK. If he doubles you up he still has twice as much as the average chips and youve been showing alot of aggression lately which means he can correctly widen his range.

I'd also push here. Your not going to get a much better chance to double up with only 17 left. If you want to win, you've got to be willing to die*.

btw I'd be more inclined to call/raise UTG considering your image.


*cringe!

Jaden

Insta-push (TM).

Or you can fold, and wait for AA/KK.....

His range includes AK,AQ here. You can't smooth call (out of position, as already pointed out). In general, if you have a tough decision to make, push, and let the other guy make it. After all, you're below average stack, and this reeks of small stack bullying, particularly because you are playing agressively.

Bandana boy

Shove or call & shove non ace board

Rnger

Your giving the bigstack a free shot at your whole stack with call+push. He could fold this pf Bandana Boy

fuzzbox

Bandana boy wrote:

Shove or call & shove non ace board

Bad plan

A. Shove
B. Call and shove ANY board

fuzzbox

Rnger wrote:

Your giving the bigstack a free shot at your whole stack with call+push. He could fold this pf Bandana Boy

Its not free.

However - he could call this with TT/99/88, so shove. (or even AJ/AQ/AK).

bubbleking

fuzzbox wrote:

A. Shove
B. Call and shove ANY board

is folding pf not an option here?

fuzzbox

bubbleking wrote:

is folding pf not an option here?

I aint folding JJ with those stacks after raising 3 of the last 5 hands.

Jaden

It's an option, just not a very good one.

Shortstacked, one other player, (A wide calling-range chip leader) and you have JJ. How much better does it have to be to push? Look at his range:

You are behind QQ,KK,AA
You are ahead of AK,AQ,AJ,KJ(!),77,88,99,TT or any small PP.

I would give myself felt-burns on my wrists pushing here.

Norwich Fan Rob

the raising 3 out of the last 5 hands is key, big stack can put u on quite a wide range, this is when u want to hit a nice hand, after several uncontested raises. And u have already put 20% of your stack in pre flop, defo push and if he has QQ KK AA so be it.

AmarilloFats

YEah. HTank. Not that much of a hnd really....The fact that I had raised 3 times (with great hands) in the same orbit was the key.
I pushed, he called, his AA was good.

I sort of felt with these stack sizes he would have just puushed with AK. I did not see hiim raising to 1500 with AK!!! Anyone agree?

bubbleking

nice 1 i got one of these analysis things right for a change i would have folded but thats just me you prob played the hand perfect in most peoples oppinion.

Rnger

fuzzbox wrote:

Its not free.
However - he could call this with TT/99/88, so shove. (or even AJ/AQ/AK).

could you elaborate on this? I'm confused and not sure what I meant in the first place

fuzzbox

Its not a free shot - he is paying 1500 for a chance to win 3000. Then he has to outflop us (or already be ahead).

AmarilloFats

bubbleking wrote:

nice 1 i got one of these analysis things right for a change i would have folded but thats just me you prob played the hand perfect in most peoples oppinion.

Hey bubble,
The fact that he happened to have AA this time does not vindicate the fold option. One usually puts villain on range of hands and acts accordingly.
Push is the correct option here considering our stack, blinds, image etc.

Rnger

Button makes it only 700 more to call and he has 600 already invested. I missed that the first time around. For some reason i thought the blinds were lower and UTG had raised less. The button is always going to calls his extra 1700 in the actual scenario.

If UTG wasnt so shortstacked, raising 3x UTG's bet wouldn't be a terrible move by CL with A8s(for example). If UTG went all-in theres a decent chance CL would fold. If UTG simply called and goes all-in on the flop regardless, CL is getting a "free" chance to hit his A since he dosent have to put any additional chips in to see the flop.

None of this applies to this situation really! I went off a bit of tangent there but thats what I was thinking.

Goodluck2me

i think the push is terrible here, judging by the amount the CL has raised, he is screaming PUSHHHH, he has seen your agresive from the last 5 hands, theres a good chance you ll push if he just raises whereas if he goes all in theres no chance for you to bluff at him (even though bluffing would be stupid here). he has played it perfectly, as he keeps you interested by making it not much more to call and he gets it heads up with you. although your play was vindicated slightly by your raising, if hes behind JJ hes pushing here to get you off a ragdy ace or the like. hes def not stealign here imo...

fuzzbox

goodluck2me wrote:

i think the push is terrible here, judging by the amount the CL has raised, he is screaming PUSHHHH, he has seen your agresive from the last 5 hands, theres a good chance you ll push if he just raises whereas if he goes all in theres no chance for you to bluff at him (even though bluffing would be stupid here). he has played it perfectly, as he keeps you interested by making it not much more to call and he gets it heads up with you. although your play was vindicated slightly by your raising, if hes behind JJ hes pushing here to get you off a ragdy ace or the like. hes def not stealign here imo...

Hi goodluck ....
Villain did not make some master-stroke here. We have JJ with 15BBs and we have just lobbed 4 of those into the middle. It doesnt matter what villain does ... our chips are going in. If he pushes, we call, if he raises, we push.

He is not some master super poker player with powers that extend into a 5th dimension.

bubbleking

fuzzbox wrote:

He is not some master super poker player with powers that extend into a 5th dimension.

yeah but the villain doesnt know we have JJ and he knows that UTG cant smooth call because hes out of position. *maybe* he was thinking if he raised any more the original raiser would fold and lets face it when you have AA you dont want people folding preflop for a gain of 4BB.

5starpool

fuzzbox wrote:

He is not some master super poker player with powers that extend into a 5th dimension.

Now that would be cool. Bruce Willis could star in the film (experienced in that dimension already)

Hitchhiker's Guide to...

sure he wants you to push with his bet of 1,500 - but that doesn't mean he is on AA - although, it does seem like an overpair, definitely a made hand...