rule question: board is the nuts

jacQues

When on the river, the board is the nuts, what happens?

A) Players get their action as normal. Even though it is always going to be a split pot.

It is very clear that it is a split pot. Therefore, the pot is immediately split with the remaining players.

Yesterday in our house game there was a royal straight flush on the board. One of the players started splitting the pot when I rushed in and told him to not act until it was his turn. Now, there were no muppets at the table who might fold. But still I felt that all players should be allowed their action regardless. Thinking back on this weird/funny situation, was that the right course of action?? Or could it even be the case where on some boards its A) and others its (like a poker with A kicker would be A) and an A hight straight with no flush or royal flush its ?)

I feel that its up to each player to correctly identify the situation, no matter how clear it is presented to them. But maybe I am overdoing the rules?

jacQues

NickyOD

I saw this happen in the Fitz once although the board was not the nuts, both players announced they were playing the board, but one of them then mucked their hand. The other player won all of the pot as the last player standing. Both hands must still be showndown to claim their share of the pot.

I believe even in the case of the royal flush action still has to take place on the river since it is possible one player will bet and the other miraculously fold. I think this happened in the Irish Open once with board showed Quads with an Ace and one player folded to a river bet.

Iago

last years Irish open board read 6 6 6 6 A and one player folded after a large bet on the river

5starpool

We'll not slag the man who scored the winner against England at Twickenham this year........

califano

NickyOD wrote:

I saw this happen in the Fitz once although the board was not the nuts, both players announced they were playing the board, but one of them then mucked their hand. The other player won all of the pot as the last player standing. Both hands must still be showndown to claim their share of the pot.

I think its a bit unfair on the player who lost his share of the pot especially if he indicated he was playing the board. After all its the best 5 card hand and his 5 cards were on the table.
I also believe its bad form for anybody except the dealer to point out his 'mistake'.

OilBeefHooked2

5starpool wrote:

We'll not slag the man who scored the winner against England at Twickenham this year........

was it really horgan?

what a dummy!:D

ArmaniJeanss

Is it possible that folding to a bet may be a correct move in some circumstances, when the board is the nuts?
I'm thinking of a raked cash game, a small pot before the river bet, and a massive overbet on the river.

5starpool

david-k wrote:

was it really horgan?

what a dummy!:D

Did I blow his cover? damn :rolleyes:

OilBeefHooked2

5starpool wrote:

Did I blow his cover? damn :rolleyes:

lol we still love him though:D

jacQues

ArmaniJeanss wrote:

Is it possible that folding to a bet may be a correct move in some circumstances, when the board is the nuts?
I'm thinking of a raked cash game, a small pot before the river bet, and a massive overbet on the river.

WOW! That is an interesting situation I hadn't considered. And yes, I think you are right. (in some circumstances)

To the others - thanks guys. This place is a great place to get the right information, and very qiuck too.

jacQues

bohsman

The pot would have to be smaller than the rake before the river.

Poker & Pints

jacQues wrote:

When on the river, the board is the nuts, what happens?

A) Players get their action as normal. Even though it is always going to be a split pot.

It is very clear that it is a split pot. Therefore, the pot is immediately split with the remaining players.

jacQues

Players should get there chance to act. It is wrong to split until the action is completed. The object of the game is to win chips(or money) ...On several occasions I have seen people fold to huge(allin) bets when the nuts were on the board. It is the responsibility of each player to know what the hand is. It may sound cruel but if a big bet cause someone who is not paying attention to fold and you win the pot solo, then so be it. Now in the interest of a friendly game...it's ok to split in the manner you did.

BrokenArrows

Poker & Pints wrote:

Players should get there chance to act. It is wrong to split until the action is completed. The object of the game is to win chips(or money) ...On several occasions I have seen people fold to huge(allin) bets when the nuts were on the board. It is the responsibility of each player to know what the hand is. It may sound cruel but if a big bet cause someone who is not paying attention to fold and you win the pot solo, then so be it. Now in the interest of a friendly game...it's ok to split in the manner you did.

exactly. The dealer is not there to tell a player what hand they have. If they do not realise that its going to be a split pot then thats their problem.

RoundTower

bohsman wrote:

The pot would have to be smaller than the rake before the river.

Barcelona?

bohsman

RoundTower wrote:

Barcelona?

35 euro max rake in a 5-10 game... battle of the blinds checked down, 20 in the pot, board reads TJQKA all hearts small blind goes all in for 2k you correctly fold a royal flush!

smoke

So, do u have to make your intentions clear if ur gona play the board by saying so out loud?

5starpool

smoke wrote:

So, do u have to make your intentions clear if ur gona play the board by saying so out loud?

Only the cards speak. By all means say you are playing the board, and if the indisputible nuts is out there then that is obvious but you still have to show your cards to claim a portion of the pot.

smoke

thanks

RoundTower

bohsman wrote:

35 euro max rake in a 5-10 game... battle of the blinds checked down, 20 in the pot, board reads TJQKA all hearts small blind goes all in for 2k you correctly fold a royal flush!

Here's the interesting bit. You count out your 2k and tell the small blind you will call unless he gives you €11. You are drunk and tilty and look threatening so he knows you will follow through with your threat. Now he is making a mistake by not giving you the €11, because your call costs him €17. So he reluctantly gives you €11, when your equity in the pot was only €10 before he bet.

Tip the dealer the odd €1 and leave the table immediately.