Stardust Picket ends today

CoolGuy2006

Ok, well after much discussion here on whether they should have been there in the first place, they end their picket today.

Heard this on the radio today

Butterly has agreed to erect a memorial,
The Silver Swan will have its name changed to the Artane House.

The Spokesperson for the Stardust committee said she respected Butterlys decision and wishes Mr Gamble luck with his new pub.

There is also new evidence that should entitle a new inquiry to be opened.

Fair Play to them

super_furry

I still can't see why anyone would want to drink there. Even if there is no picket, I can't see many of the locals ever making it a true 'local' in the pub sense of the word.

Vidic-is-good

super_furry wrote:

I still can't see why anyone would want to drink there. Even if there is no picket, I can't see many of the locals ever making it a true 'local' in the pub sense of the word.

Because people move on, new people move in. Eventually it will be a regular pub I'd say. Maybe not this time around though.

blu_sonic

the memory is etched deep in the irish psyche thougj, stardust will never be forgotten, here we are talking about it when most boardsies or a fair few anyway weren't even born, i presume it becoming a local would be erie for said locals

CoolGuy2006

there has been a pub ther for years, it used to be called skellys. Alot of people drank there

The problem with the new bar opening up was the name of it, "The Silver Swan". This is what the pub was originally called when the Stardust tragedy happened.

The Silver Swan and the Stardust were side by side, the victims would have drank in the Swan before heading into the nightclub.

There was anger at the Pub being reopened with the original "Silver Swan" name just after the 25th anniversary of the fire

There were other factors that had the picket outside the maxol, factors which seem to be getting sorted out as we speak

blu_sonic

yeah there was a thread on it a while ago with all that info, i think though with all this stiring of the pot their business will suffer, its opened old (unhealed) wounds

MorningStar

CoolGuy2006 wrote:

there has been a pub ther for years, it used to be called skellys. Alot of people drank there

The problem with the new bar opening up was the name of it, "The Silver Swan". This is what the pub was originally called when the Stardust tragedy happened.

The people were angry over who had the licence the name was just a little extra fuel. There was a huge mirror in the pool hall linked to Skellys that said the Silver Swan so it was not a big issue untill the licence holder was Butterly.

They now have their third memorial for the victims of the fire and rightly so on the location.

The pub was not built on the site of the fire in case anybody still thinks that.

monkeyfudge

We really don't need another memorial.

There's a big park, a huge moneument in the park and another memorial at Beaumont Hospital.

Oh, and the park was opened with a free gig by Aslan... if that counts for anything.

CoolGuy2006

monkeyfudge wrote:

We really don't need another memorial.

There's a big park, a huge moneument in the park and another memorial at Beaumont Hospital.

Oh, and the park was opened with a free gig by Aslan... if that counts for anything.

well monkey fudge, you probably dont "need" it and the general public probably dont "need "it, but the victims and the relatives obviously do

Like the fact that I and millions more dont need a memorial in New York where the twin towers stood but the thousands affected probably do.

You see memorials along every roadside in ireland, its what people do. If you were to go to the site were the stardust was you will not see anything there to say it ever happened

The_Minister

I thought it funny that they considered calling it "The Phaonix".:D

monkeyfudge

CoolGuy2006 wrote:

well monkey fudge, you probably dont "need" it and the general public probably dont "need "it, but the victims and the relatives obviously do

I have no problem with having a memorial. The Park is quite nice, it's right outside my office window.

I mean, where does it end with the memorials? Should there be one in Artane Castle shopping centre? Should there be one in each of the schools?

The park was a great idea as it's in an area where a lot of the victims lived, and it also serves an important function in the community. I just see yet another memorial being built as kind of pointless.

CoolGuy2006

monkeyfudge wrote:

I have no problem with having a memorial. The Park is quite nice, it's right outside my office window.

I mean, where does it end with the memorials? Should there be one in Artane Castle shopping centre? Should there be one in each of the schools?

The park was a great idea as it's in an area where a lot of the victims lived, and it also serves an important function in the community. I just see yet another memorial being built as kind of pointless.

Yeah, i know what your saying. But, do you not think there should be something at the site to say "what happened" It does seem a bit stange that there is nothing there.

monkeyfudge wrote:

I mean, where does it end with the memorials? Should there be one in Artane Castle shopping centre? Should there be one in each of the schools?

Now i know you were exagerating but cmon, we are talking about the actual site that a disaster took place and there is nothing there to mark it.

:|

I live around the area and personally i didnt see the point in the protests, butterly didnt do anything wrong, he didnt start the fire or lock the doors himself, and most of the victims relatives have moved on already, theres no point dwelling on the past. I thought the relatives should have seen the renaming of the pub as the silver swan as a sort of memorial in itself

MorningStar

I heard the woman talking about what they managed to agree. It is a water fountain that Butterly has to maintain. The comittee will get to decide on the design from a list of "recognised" artists. They never spoke to Butterly himself and they used a negociator .

The head of the protestors is going for political office still to "fight for the little people". She went on about the people with medical cards, unemployment etc... in the area. So people know that is not Artane she is talking about but Coolock where she is from. I hear SF are helping but she is not a member of the party maybe that isn't true maybe it is.

monkeyfudge

SF have definitely been using it as a vote grabber anyway.

I'm happy enough that the name is being changed anyway... I really didn't agree with it being called the Silver Swan myself.

MorningStar

monkeyfudge wrote:

SF have definitely been using it as a vote grabber anyway.

I think many people who don't know much about the area or the Butterly industrial park were intentional mislead to get extra support and media coverage. I'll give SF there respect for identify what helps them gain power but I don't like it. The Nazi party also were very clever in gaining power through a socialist out look.

Sam Vimes

there was a plan to change the name to the phoenix. a tad disturbing