Building a bankroll at low stakes ring

pok3rplaya

Just a few pointers I believe in..

1) Dedicate yourself to either ring games or SnGs, (This could be personality dependant, I know I learn better if I focus on one thing). If you want to move up fast you need to obsess about your game. Analyse your big hands, think about everthing as you do it and why you are doing it. Read about poker alot, post hands, read and post comments on other peoples hands. Criticise and be criticised. If you do this you won't ever pay a learning tax.

2) Move up when your bankroll alllows. Be eager about moving up not scared. The players are never much better at a certain level than the level below. You won't notice the difference. It really is a very gentle slope. Set yourself a limit (in buy-ins) that you can lose before you move back down. I reccomend 4 buy-ins.

3) Learn to multitable. I play 1.2k hands in 5 hours. Start with one table then add another. Play like this for a few days and then add another table. Keep going like ths and very soon you will wonder how you ever played 2 tables. Multitabling gets alot easier when you have your game together. If you keep playing then you see similar situations enough times over and over that you automatically have a very good idea what to do. If you play enough eventually all the simple decisions become almost robotic and you only have to concentrate on the odd stickler of a hand. Because of this you can play >4 tables at once and only ever really ahve one stickler hand occuring at one time. The rest of the hands on the other tables get played robotically leaving you time to think about the one difficult hand. It's really just a matter of practice and confidence in your game.Consentrate on the action. Notice betting patterns. Check out the current issue of cardplayer magazine for an article on this (www.cardplayer.com).

4) I hear players say "I plan to stay at my present level until I murder the game every time I sit down". This will never happen, get that idea out of your head. It's all avout the long term. On that topic, keep records. Know your win rate, (even though it will always be inaccurate) it helps your confidence. Mark your records with little comments about what happened that session. Things like "played well, lost with KK all-in preflop twice". This will help you feel better when you show a net loss over 4 days in a row. Yes, that will happen to you eventually. You goal in poker is to deduce the right action to take given the information you have available in relation to the particular situation you are in at the present time in the present hand. It is not to attempt to win every day or every hand.

5) Develop/learn a game, a system, and stick to it. Low stakes games can be beaten with a simple repeditive system of folding bad hands and playing good ones. Be weak-tight to a certain extent. Play ABC poker consistintly. Be disciplined. Fold Top pair top kicker if you get raised, religiously. Be patient and level headed. Teach yourself not to tilt, ever. If you get emotional step away form the tables. I remember I used to play 10NL and I would step away from the computer for a while if I lost a $2 pot. I have conditioned myself now to the point where I could lose $1000 in a day and not even blink or feel the need to take a break or be angry.

6) Never get cocky or arrogant. Cockyness will be the death of your poker game. You will have periods where you will run really good and play really good. You'll feel like you own the poker table, like your playing on an ATM. Make every effort to dispel these thoughts as quickly as possible. They will make you over aggressive and you will make mistakes. It happened to me and damn near ended my poker career, do yourself a favour and learn from other peoples mistakes.

7) When you are playing it is important to always be thinking in the here and now. Poker is not a get rich quick scheme. Many players get chaught up at the low stakes because they want a million euro NOW. If you play like this then you'll never be able to stay patient at $2NL tables and the like. After all, who gives a sh1t about $2 right? Well you have to. I know they say "never think of the money in front of you as money, think of it as chips" and thats true, but its important to care about every pot you play. Even if you only lose a 20c pot, you should care enough about why you lost that 20c to go and look at the hand history and figure out if you can avoid doing it again. Of course, the here and now thing applies to looking to the past as well. I don't care if you just got bad beat by a higher royal flush! That hand is over, there is nothing you can affect about it by playing the present hand differently. That also applies to the opposite effect. Just trippled up with AA!! Ok, its over, its done, calm down and play the present hand to the best of your ability.

8) To give you some idea of what it takes, here is a list of how many hands I played at each level untill I had 20 buy-ins for the next level.

13/6/2005 - I started with a free $10 that Royal Vegas poker gave me.

10NL - 30,000 hands of ring game play. I was breakeven over 15,000 of these hands, at which point I got a bit of a game together.
I also spent a month 1 tabling SnGs. About 200 of them in total - breakeven.
25NL - 6000 hands including my first 6 buy-in downswing.
50NL - 9000 hands. Then I moved to 100NL.
100NL - At this point I encountered my greatest test so far. I started well before losing $1200 in a week (Newbie circle of death), leaving me breakeven over 9000 hands. I got scared, withdrew half my bankroll and moved back to 50NL.
50NL (again) - Another 10,000 hands. Gaining confidence.
100NL (again) - Played 15k - 20k hands here before winning $3000 in a MTT and suddenly finding myself with a $5800 bankroll. I tentativly move to 200NL.
200NL - 16,000 hands. Confidence is high. I run good with no major downswings (>3 buy-ins). $2000 in withdrawals mean that I have to play some extra hands at this level, probably could have done it in 10,000 hands.
400NL (25 buy-ins) - Just moved up here a few days ago (16/4/2006). I haven't played enough hands to give comment but I feel I can beat it. Just need to keep a level head.

So there you go. Give it 100,000 hands (which go past alot faster then you would think) of solid, patient, disciplined poker and you never know what you might accomplish!


So, what do people think?

RoundTower

Great post, excellent addition to the site. I wish I had your discipline, my story involves playing whatever game looks interesting at the time and moving up and down like a yo yo. Still does.

Hectorjelly

I think that multitabling too much can stunt your growth, however this is the type of thing that might differ from player to player. These days I never play more than 3 tables - I used to play up to 7. These days though, I just dont put enough hour in. I played 15k hands last month, roughly what you would play in 3 days!

MrPillowTalk

pok3rplaya wrote:

Just a few pointers I believe in..

1) Dedicate yourself to either ring games or SnGs, (This could be personality dependant, I know I learn better if I focus on one thing). If you want to move up fast you need to obsess about your game. Analyse your big hands, think about everthing as you do it and why you are doing it. Read about poker alot, post hands, read and post comments on other peoples hands. Criticise and be criticised. If you do this you won't ever pay a learning tax.

2) Move up when your bankroll alllows. Be eager about moving up not scared. The players are never much better at a certain level than the level below. You won't notice the difference. It really is a very gentle slope. Set yourself a limit (in buy-ins) that you can lose before you move back down. I reccomend 4 buy-ins.

3) Learn to multitable. I play 1.2k hands in 5 hours. Start with one table then add another. Play like this for a few days and then add another table. Keep going like ths and very soon you will wonder how you ever played 2 tables. Multitabling gets alot easier when you have your game together. If you keep playing then you see similar situations enough times over and over that you automatically have a very good idea what to do. If you play enough eventually all the simple decisions become almost robotic and you only have to concentrate on the odd stickler of a hand. Because of this you can play >4 tables at once and only ever really ahve one stickler hand occuring at one time. The rest of the hands on the other tables get played robotically leaving you time to think about the one difficult hand. It's really just a matter of practice and confidence in your game.Consentrate on the action. Notice betting patterns. Check out the current issue of cardplayer magazine for an article on this (www.cardplayer.com).

4) I hear players say "I plan to stay at my present level until I murder the game every time I sit down". This will never happen, get that idea out of your head. It's all avout the long term. On that topic, keep records. Know your win rate, (even though it will always be inaccurate) it helps your confidence. Mark your records with little comments about what happened that session. Things like "played well, lost with KK all-in preflop twice". This will help you feel better when you show a net loss over 4 days in a row. Yes, that will happen to you eventually. You goal in poker is to deduce the right action to take given the information you have available in relation to the particular situation you are in at the present time in the present hand. It is not to attempt to win every day or every hand.

5) Develop/learn a game, a system, and stick to it. Low stakes games can be beaten with a simple repeditive system of folding bad hands and playing good ones. Be weak-tight to a certain extent. Play ABC poker consistintly. Be disciplined. Fold Top pair top kicker if you get raised, religiously. Be patient and level headed. Teach yourself not to tilt, ever. If you get emotional step away form the tables. I remember I used to play 10NL and I would step away from the computer for a while if I lost a $2 pot. I have conditioned myself now to the point where I could lose $1000 in a day and not even blink or feel the need to take a break or be angry.

6) Never get cocky or arrogant. Cockyness will be the death of your poker game. You will have periods where you will run really good and play really good. You'll feel like you own the poker table, like your playing on an ATM. Make every effort to dispel these thoughts as quickly as possible. They will make you over aggressive and you will make mistakes. It happened to me and damn near ended my poker career, do yourself a favour and learn from other peoples mistakes.

6) To give you some idea of what it takes, here is a list of how many hands I played at each level untill I had 20 buy-ins for the next level.

13/6/2005 - I started with a free $10 that Royal Vegas poker gave me.

10NL - 30,000 hands of ring game play. I was breakeven over 15,000 of these hands, at which point I read a post by Aokrongly about his "19 hands" system. Then I started to win.
I also spent a month 1 tabling SnGs. About 200 of them in total - breakeven.
25NL - 6000 hands including my first 6 buy-in downswing.
50NL - 9000 hands. Then I moved to 100NL.
100NL - At this point I encountered my greatest test so far. I started well before losing $1200 in a week (Newbie circle of death), leaving me breakeven over 9000 hands. I got scared, withdrew half my bankroll and moved back to 50NL.
50NL (again) - Another 10,000 hands. Gaining confidence.
100NL (again) - Played 15k - 20k hands here before winning $3000 in a MTT and suddenly finding myself with a $5800 bankroll. I tentativly move to 200NL.
200NL - 16,000 hands. Confidence is high. I run good with no major downswings (>3 buy-ins). $2000 in withdrawals mean that I have to play some extra hands at this level, probably could have done it in 10,000 hands.
400NL (25 buy-ins) - Just moved up here a few days ago (16/4/2006). I haven't played enough hands to give comment but I feel I can beat it. Just need to keep a level head.

So there you go. Give it 100,000 hands (which go past alot faster then you would think) of solid, patient, disciplined poker and you never know what you might accomplish!


So, what do people think?

Nice post, welcome to the forum, some advice for you.

Try not to make playing higher your goal make playing better your goal, personally I never play more than two tables at a time the reason for this are that if you are multitabling it is inevitable that you start playing "systematic" rather than fluid poker, whenever I find a player who plays this way I lick my lips all I have to do is call them outflop them and stack them. If becoming a better player is your goal then you will be better served by playing 1 or 2 tables at a time and looking to win the same from your increased concentration as you would 4 or 5 tabling normally. Dont get me wrong plenty of people destroy online poker mutitabling Buzzer on crypto plays about 10stts at a time and has a good winrate, our own KP will often be playing a no of them at once, and in cash Zeebo on 2+2 is currently claiming he can win $100k in a month multi tabling 3-6, however multi tabling makes you predictable and will stunt your development as a competetive player.

Your right in what you say about it being a gentle slope in standards as you move up the limits but you are reaching a level where you are going to start experiencing the better players, you will experience a standard jump at this point, dont get me wrong there are fish at every level of online poker but the players who have game become far more common from here on in as you move up.

One more piece of advice, as you are obviously winning your games at the moment dont just keep your winnings as part of your bankroll, when I was moving up I used to pay myself a weekly wage i.e. I would withdraw 50% of that weeks winnings and keep 50% to add to the bankroll. This allows you to gain something from poker that you can look at if you go broke, I dont mean this to be derisory when I first started moving up (I was on royal vegas mostly at the time as well) I won at all the levels and built up a $30k bankroll and was playing 5/10 nl daily, then I hit my first (unfortunately not my last) absolutely dire run of cards where I proceded to lose 25k in a week at the time I was 18/19 and that was an absolute **** load of money to me. I was ready to walk away from poker and felt it was a waste of my time the previous months, however the car that I had bought from my winnings and the €6k that was in the bank helped me to get going again, it took me a good 4 or 5 months to recover from that initial kick in the gooleys, if I hadnt been cashing out a good portion of the money then I have no doubt that I simply would have been finished with poker there and then.

Dont mean to be negative my heartfelt congratulations on your quick ascent up the ladder, but Ive been where you are now and wish someone had told me their story before I blew my first five figure sum, not that that will stop you tilting off a large % of your bankroll, no matter how in control you get him the super tilt monster will visit you at least once a year

Good Luck.

pok3rplaya

MrPillowTalk,

Thanks for an excellent resonse to my post and thats a good story.

I don't believe that moving up is my main goal in poker, though I do have aspirations to someday reach 2000NL and higher. My main goal is to make money and I realise that I do that by making the best possible decision I can for every situation that arises in poker.

Your point about multi-tabling is a valid one. To be totally honest I will often load up 5 200NL tables and go brouse the net while playing. I realise that I am giving up a ton of value by doing this but I just find myself getting bored too easily. I'm working on ending this and I know it's a leak. I do believe though that it is possible to play 4 FR tables with decent reads.

I know I'm on the cusp of the hard games and I don't plan on moving up just yet. I really don't feel like I'm ready just yet. My plan at the moment is to play >100,000 hands of 400NL over the summer. Possibly taking some shots at 3/6 or 4/8 if I feel good about things. Oh and 1 shot at 1000NL if my roll hits $30,000 just to satisfy my urges!

About the withdrawal thing. This is something I have really put some thought into and gotten dfferent opinions on. Personally I think I'm better off not withdrawing until I reach a level I can make some serious cash at. I always think how long I would have taken to reach this level (the €40/hour level) if I had been withdrawing bits and pieces at 10NL. It would just have hampered me. Don't get me wrong I have taken out just under 3k$ and if I need cash I'll use my bankroll but in general I don't like to withdraw.

Oh and btw.. how the hell did you lose 25k!!?? Ever hear of moving down!!??

fuzzbox

Pok3rplaya - excellent post, and welcome.

I multi-table about 2/3 tables, which suits me fine.

I would recommend that you should also consider learning another 1/2 games. This will help you in times of mysery ... when your main game is either full of bad tables, or you have a bad run .. its nice to kick off a different game, sit down and have a change of pace.

pok3rplaya

fuzzbox wrote:

Pok3rplaya - excellent post, and welcome.

I would recommend that you should also consider learning another 1/2 games.

thanks.

You mean like omaha or stud or something?

I often try to do that but every time I sit at one of the tables I always end up thinking "why am I sitting here playing breakeven stud, not really knowing wtf I am doing when I could be playing NLHE for $60/hr"? Still I'm interested. Probably try learning limit HE firstly though.

fixer

I think that when most magazine articles and blog posts talk about multi-tabling, that they are talking about limit holdem.

opr

Hi Guys

Having played alot of live poker and really only starting out online ..... this was exactly the kind of thread and advice i was looking for. Great post and some great responses.

Opr

ArmaniJeanss

pok3rplaya wrote:

50NL - 9000 hands. Then I moved to 100NL.
100NL - At this point I encountered my greatest test so far. I started well before losing $1200 in a week (Newbie circle of death), leaving me breakeven over 9000 hands. I got scared, withdrew half my bankroll and moved back to 50NL.
50NL (again) - Another 10,000 hands. Gaining confidence.
100NL (again) - Played 15k - 20k hands here before winning $3000 in a MTT and suddenly finding myself with a $5800 bankroll. I tentativly move to 200NL.

I feel I should know the answer to this.
What does 50NL ,100NL, 200NL mean. I understand when people refer to the blinds as 50c/1, 3/6 (or 5c/10c in my case!). Does the 50 and 100 in the above post refer to the buy-in, or are you playing NLHE with a big blind of $50 :eek:

opr

ArmaniJeanss wrote:

I feel I should know the answer to this.
What does 50NL ,100NL, 200NL mean. I understand when people refer to the blinds as 50c/1, 3/6 (or 5c/10c in my case!). Does the 50 and 100 in the above post refer to the buy-in, or are you playing NLHE with a big blind of $50 :eek:

Its the buy in.

Hitman Actual

Very good thread (there seem to have been a lot lately). This is worthy of the WIKI and/or should be linked from Musicians Beginner sticky, I think.

phantom_lord

Welcome to the forum goof.

MrPillowTalk

pok3rplaya wrote:

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Oh and btw.. how the hell did you lose 25k!!?? Ever hear of moving down!!??

At the time poker was a big ego thing for me and I never considered moving down it would have felt like defeat too much, as we all do from time to time I figured sooner or later I was bound to be destroying the big game in the Bellagio, however reality bites. Nothing is more sobering than all the railbirds asking how come your not playing 5/10 anymore when you sit in a .5/1 cash game which is what I had to do to rebuild, taking a step down to 3/6 when it got tight would have been the smart thing to do, but what 18 year old guy is smart?

I like to think that if I ever blew off a large part of my bankroll now then I would move down but I have a much more secure bankroll than I did at the time so a 20k swing isnt terminal, its never pleasant, but it wont influence my ability to play within my means.

Your ability to manage your bankroll is actually more important than game selection.

pok3rplaya

MrPillowTalk wrote:

At the time poker was a big ego thing for me and I never considered moving down it would have felt like defeat too much,

Yeah its tough allright. Even for me, moving from 100nl back to 25nl and 50nl when I had that 12buy-in swing, was tough. You feel like your wasnting your time. But it was the right thing to do and I'm glad I got over it. Here's to looking forward to the next time we have to move down! Bring it on!!

MrPillowTalk wrote:

Your ability to manage your bankroll is actually more important than game selection.

Quoted for truth

pok3rplaya

phantom_lord wrote:

Welcome to the forum goof.

lol, who the hell is this!?

just to explain to everyone else, "goof" is what a lot of my friends from Drogheda call me but I have no idea who "phantom_lord" is.

phantom_lord

It's flynn, I was talking to you at Alana's the other night, I think I asked if you ever looked this forum.

Goodluck2me

i agree, a very informative post but it makes it sound so easy...:)

phantom_lord

Good post btw.

pok3rplaya

phantom_lord wrote:

It's flynn, I was talking to you at Alana's the other night, I think I asked if you ever looked this forum.

Oh right, yeah the night I got owned by loads of first-time playing girls in a SnG!? Shhh... don't tell anyone!

What a rigged game that was!

pok3rplaya

goodluck2me wrote:

i agree, a very informative post but it makes it sound so easy...:)

There's no reason why it can't be easy(ish) if you really dedicate yourself. It's really 60% discipline I believe. Develop/learn a weak-tight game that will beat the low stakes and just keep plugging it out building a bankroll over time. Anyone can play ABC poker, the tough part is having the discipline to stick to the plan when things aren't going your way, or even when things are really going your way and you fell like you can just throw money into any pot and still win. You will get periods at the start where you could be 1 tabling $2 cash tables for an hour without playing more then 2 hands which you had to fold on the flop anyway. Then you get KK and get stacked by AA. Another hour of getting no playable hands after which you get stacked again in a set over set situation. Thats tough, it really is. You've just sat there for 2 hours and all you've accomplished (in the short term) is to lose 2 buy-ins. This could happen for 3 consecutive days while fishes all around you are winning (relativly) huge pots with 83s and J2o. Thats where the discipline element comes in. You really have to know where you are going and what you need to do to get there. And you have to DO IT in the face of adversity.

Also one more thing, when you are playing it is important to always be thinking in the here and now. Poker is not a get rich quick scheme and many players get chaught up at the low stakes because they want a million euro NOW. If you play like this then you'll never be able to stay patient at $2NL tables. After all, who gives a sh1t about $2 right? Well you have to. I know they say "never think of the money in front of you as money, think of it as chips" and thats true, but its important to care about every pot you play. Even if you only lose a 20c pot, you should care enough about why you lost that 20c to go and look at the hand history and figure out if you can avoid doing it again. Of course, the here and now thing applies to looking to the past as well. I don't care if you just got bad beat by a higher royal flush! That hand is over, there is nothing you can affect about it by playing the present hand differently. That also applies to the opposite effect. Just trippled up with AA!! Ok, its over, its done, calm down and play the present hand to the best of your ability.

Goodluck2me

great reply and i agree totally with the discipline thing there it really is something which gets to me at times. i am a winning player at the levels i play at but i find i can just lose patinece too often and undo a lot of good work after playing so well.... but ill take any advice im given.

Sangre

Started with a free €4.20 myself and on about €300. Being fluctuating at around that mark for about last 2 weeks. Think its because I like to come home and open a table or 2 after being in the library all day. My mind isn't fully on my game. But I'm not too bothered as long as I'm gradually making money, it relaxes me after a long day. Once exams are over I'll give it a proper go.
Problem is I'm stuck on noble poker and can't use pokertracker or anything to check my results. Stupid neteller only accepting visas!

Remember, patience is its own reward!

pok3rplaya

Sangre wrote:

Stupid neteller only accepting visas!

Bank wire? Worked for me.

Mr. Flibble

pok3rplaya wrote:

Just a few pointers I believe in..


3) Learn to multitable. I play 1.2k hands in 5 hours. Start with one table then add another. Play like this for a few days and then add another table. Keep going like ths and very soon you will wonder how you ever played 2 tables. Multitabling gets alot easier when you have your game together. If you keep playing then you see similar situations enough times over and over that you automatically have a very good idea what to do. If you play enough eventually all the simple decisions become almost robotic and you only have to concentrate on the odd stickler of a hand. Because of this you can play >4 tables at once and only ever really ahve one stickler hand occuring at one time. The rest of the hands on the other tables get played robotically leaving you time to think about the one difficult hand. It's really just a matter of practice and confidence in your game.Consentrate on the action. Notice betting patterns. Check out the current issue of cardplayer magazine for an article on this (www.cardplayer.com).

Have you experimented to see which is more profitable, multitabling or playing 1 table at a time?

I always thought that multitabling made sense at lower stakes because of the large number of bad players ment robotic play paid off, but as the stakes increased the more you would have to mix-it-up/trap/play the player. But I have seen people multitable sucessfully right up the stakes - I've watched people play 3 or 4 10/20 tables and make a fortune at it.


So do you think the benifits of multitabling are independent of the stakes?

pok3rplaya wrote:

Your point about multi-tabling is a valid one. To be totally honest I will often load up 5 200NL tables and go brouse the net while playing. I realise that I am giving up a ton of value by doing this but I just find myself getting bored too easily. I'm working on ending this and I know it's a leak. I do believe though that it is possible to play 4 FR tables with decent reads.

I found that playing more tables makes playing more boring - hence the desire to surf the web while playing. Perhaps conterintuitave on the surface, the less tables you play at the more of your mind you put the games. I found when playing many tables its nigh impossible to remember playing patterns of all the players so I'd just shut down and play mechanically but at just one table I'd try to concentrate on every player and get in their heads which took a lot more effort, but more enjoyable than playing many tables.

pok3rplaya

Fibble,

I've thought about this and I can almost guarantee you that multitabling is more profitable. Consider this example:

If I can play 5 tables of 200NL at 8ptBB/100 then for 1 tabling to be as profitable as that I would need to be making 40ptBB/100 on my 1 table. I don't care how hard I consentrate, thats just not possible. Even if I play 2 tables I need to make 20ptBB/100 to compensate, I don't believe thats possible either.

If the site I play at would let me, I would probably play 8 tables of 200NL. No reads or nothing, just straight up ABC poker with some calculated moves thrown in every so often. I recon I could make 6ptBB/100 like that = 48ptBB/100 in total.

I guess this is just a lot more personality dependant than I thought. I'm probably just more of a quantity over quality kinda guy. I don't think the benifits of multitabling are independent of the stakes though. Play gets much more psychalogical as you go up, a lot more people start playing one hand while holding another etc. You need to know peoples patterns and tendancies. I've only ever played up to 400NL by the way so I'm kinda assuming all this btw.

I found that playing more tables makes playing more boring

Again it must be just personality. I don't think I could ever stick playing one table.

Hectorjelly

pok3rplaya wrote:

If I can play 5 tables of 200NL at 8ptBB/100 then for 1 tabling to be as profitable as that I would need to be making 40ptBB/100 on my 1 table. I don't care how hard I consentrate, thats just not possible. Even if I play 2 tables I need to make 20ptBB/100 to compensate, I don't believe thats possible either.

The problem is that at the medium levels and higher (1/2 and higher) its not possible to run at anything close to 8pt/100BB unless you are paying close attention to the tables.

pok3rplaya

Hectorjelly wrote:

The problem is that at the medium levels and higher (1/2 and higher) its not possible to run at anything close to 8pt/100BB unless you are paying close attention to the tables.

Yeah you could be right. I only have 20k hands of 1/2 so my 8ptBB/100 is hardly a reliable winrate. I think 6 is do-able but again thats speculation.

Mr. Flibble

Hectorjelly wrote:

The problem is that at the medium levels and higher (1/2 and higher) its not possible to run at anything close to 8pt/100BB unless you are paying close attention to the tables.

I'm not disagreeing as such but I have seen Mike Mattasow constantly multitable at 10/20 and make large profits doing it - often playing 3 handed which seems crazy. Is he just a rare type of player or what's up?

Hectorjelly

Mr. Flibble wrote:

I'm not disagreeing as such but I have seen Mike Mattasow constantly multitable at 10/20 and make large profits doing it - often playing 3 handed which seems crazy. Is he just a rare type of player or what's up?

How many tables is he playing?

Mr. Flibble

Hectorjelly wrote:

How many tables is he playing?

Just 3. Not considered multitabling?

Just so I'm reading this right; is a ptbb is 2 BigBlinds?
edited: So 8ptbb/100 at 1/2 = $32/100 @ 200h/hr = $64/hr?

pok3rplaya

Mr. Flibble wrote:

I'm not disagreeing as such but I have seen Mike Mattasow constantly multitable at 10/20 and make large profits doing it - often playing 3 handed which seems crazy. Is he just a rare type of player or what's up?

Unless you've been watching for >30k hands I wouldn't think much of it.

Hectorjelly

Mr. Flibble wrote:

Just 3. Not considered multitabling?

Just so I'm reading this right; a ptbb is 2BBs?
So 8ptbb/hr at 1/2 = $16/hr * 4 tables = $64/hr?

I dont think you miss much playing 2-3 tables. 4-6 and you miss a lot. Any more and you are playing on auto pilot. These figs are for ordinarly mortals only, im sure there are some autistic people out there who can playing more.

pok3rplaya

Mr. Flibble wrote:

Just so I'm reading this right; is a ptbb is 2 BigBlinds?
edited: So 8ptbb/100 at 1/2 = $32/100 @ 200h/hr = $64/hr?

Yep. You got it.

peeko

Great post!

After a couple of bad beats and falling off my A game last night this is exactly the type of stuff i want to be reading

fuzzbox

pok3rplaya wrote:

6ptBB/100 like that = 48ptBB/100 in total.

Just to be a total nit.

6 PTBB/100 does not equal 48 PTBB/100 if you play more tables. You simply play the 100 hands quicker, but you still make 6 PTBB/100.

This is gold leader, going in.

pok3rplaya

fuzzbox wrote:

Just to be a total nit.

6 PTBB/100 does not equal 48 PTBB/100 if you play more tables. You simply play the 100 hands quicker, but you still make 6 PTBB/100.

This is gold leader, going in.

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