4 Aces Galway

hairyfairy00

Here's the lay out of the tournaments in the 4 Aces if your interested. They all kick off @ 9:30pm

Tuesday:- €90 + €10 reg FREEZEOUT

Wednesday:- FREE ROLL, €5 reg with 4 buy backs and a top up @ €10 each

Thursday:- €30 + €5 reg with 2 buy backs and a top up @ €15 each

Friday:- €50 + €5 reg with 2 buy backs or 1 buy back 1 top up @ €25 each

Saturday:- €60 + €5 reg FREEZEOUT

Sunday:- €30 + €5 reg with 2 buy backs ant a top up @ €15 each

There is also a Super Friday Freezeout on the 1st Friday of each month, Its €250 + €25 reg the estimated prize pool is €15,000 - €20,000. There are normally 50 - 60 players each month and there is great value in this freezeout.
Tickets for this event can also be won each night in our tournaments, in last months game the winner got approx €5,000 (not too bad for a nights poker playing) even 5th place gets about €1,000

So if anyone is interested drop down to us we're on Dominick Street Upper, Galway ( directly across from the Roisin Dubh Pub)

celticbhoy

hairyfairy00 wrote:

Wednesday:- FREE ROLL, €5 reg with 4 buy backs and a top up @ €10 each

Has the free roll changed to €10 buy backs? It used to be (and maybe still is) €15 which was a little expensive for a 'Free Roll'. Apart from that its not a bad tourney. Well run at least.

Free Roll is full of students playing way WAY too loose there. Serial raising and always multiple callers. The summer might improve it a bit.

hairyfairy00

We reduced the buybacks to €10 again because we realised there was better value for the players, 90% of the people that play this tournament are students and lets face it, an extra €5 on buybacks can add up and put a very large hole in their pockets, espically if some of them don't work. The prize money has improved since bringing it back down so everyone's happy!

BrokenArrows

Ill probably call into the freeroll tomorrow.

Do i need to pay to become a member of the club.

hairyfairy00

We do charge 10euro to become a member, we have to be strict about the membership, we often have people that try to blag their way in but we have a list of every member and their membership number which we can look up on the spot. Now with the impending closure of the casino's i think that it's a good deal so get it while it's hot!!!!

BrokenArrows

that freeroll becomes a bit of a crap shoot quickly

Might tryout that 60+5 freezout some week.

jacQues

BrokenArrows wrote:

that freeroll becomes a bit of a crap shoot quickly
Might tryout that 60+5 freezout some week.

Yes it does.
The Sunday freeroll at 4pm in the Bridge club is not a crapshoot though. Also no reg. fee, but prizes are less. See this thread.

But the 60+5 freezeout I can really recomment. Very good structure and definitely a good game. Its probably the best game in Galway, judgeing on structure, rake, game quality etc.

The other good game would be the Westwood hotel game on Wednesdays, though I don't go there since they overcharge (its a 100+20 freeze-out, but 20 euro reg. for a 100 euro tourney is just too greedy IMHO).

jacQues

hairyfairy00

Here's an offer nobody can refuse, if you come down to the 4 Aces Casino and tell the doorman that you heard about us from this site then we will wave the €10 membership fee. Tell him hairyfairy sent you!!!!

Tar.Aldarion

hairyfairy00 wrote:

Here's an offer nobody can refuse, if you come down to the 4 Aces Casino and tell the doorman that you heard about us from this site then we will wave the €10 membership fee. Tell him hairyfairy sent you!!!!

W00t, I must do that some time.
Want to join some club anyway. Ten of us ususally just play at two tables at home.
All I can really afford is the freeroll being a student and whatnot.
Heard about something today from my programming tutor who runs it apparantly and picked up on our conversation about poker. There is a game in salthill, the office pub, every thurs, 25e in and one buyback at 20e. Might give
it a shot next thurs. Anybody any experience with it, I think it is new.

connie147

jacQues wrote:

Yes it does.
The Sunday freeroll at 4pm in the Bridge club is not a crapshoot though. Also no reg. fee, but prizes are less. See this thread.

But the 60+5 freezeout I can really recomment. Very good structure and definitely a good game. Its probably the best game in Galway, judgeing on structure, rake, game quality etc.

The other good game would be the Westwood hotel game on Wednesdays, though I don't go there since they overcharge (its a 100+20 freeze-out, but 20 euro reg. for a 100 euro tourney is just too greedy IMHO).

jacQues

Hi JacQues, I presume the game your talking about in the westwood is the pokerevents weekly game.First of all let me say I have absolutely no involvement with pokerevents though I do know the lads that run it pretty well.Think for a minute what they provide for the 20€ reg
1: they have to hire the room
2: they pay for the food for the break-time.
3: they provide dealers at ALL tables.
4: they provide a proper TD who runs the tourney like clockwork.
5: tables,chips etc are second to none.
6: payout is 100% and everything is transparent.
I dont know the figures but lets say 80-85 players,9 dealers@approx 60-70€ each is approx 600€, hire of hall +food say €500,1 member staff for reg.desk-approx 70€, TD--approx €150,transport of tables say €100.
Now maybe my figures are all wrong,Im no more informed than you are,but they must be pretty close,if anything im erring on the lower end,I reckon if they collect €1600-€1700 in reg in the westwood on a wed,their running costs of approx €1400-€1500 would see a running profit on the night of €200---€300. Now take away advertising costs etc etc and you can see there isnt real;ly much of a profit there at all.So how would you expect them to run it for anything less?
You say theyre greedy.I say we should be glad to have them(and indeed any other poker companies running a transparent show.)
Again I must say I have absolutely no involvement in pokerevents.Im involved in the same buisiness and I understand what it takes to put on a decent show.Supporting them you should be,and overcharging they arent.

jacQues

connie147 wrote:

Think for a minute what they provide for the 20€ reg
1: they have to hire the room
2: they pay for the food for the break-time.
3: they provide dealers at ALL tables.
4: they provide a proper TD who runs the tourney like clockwork.
5: tables,chips etc are second to none.
6: payout is 100% and everything is transparent.
Supporting them you should be,and overcharging they arent.

Nonsense. If I go to the 4aces 90+10 euro freeze-out I get way more value for my money. The provide all the above except food. But then softdrink/tea/coffee are free whereas you'd have to pay for those in the Westwood. Hence, disregarding the fact that you have a very good point and looking purely from the angle of the punter who doesn't have too much spare cash; its bad value! I'm sure loads of people will agree and loads of other people will disagree. This is my personal opinion.

jacQues

Pokerevents

You be glad to hear Galway game has changed to a €75 plus €15 freezeout
(it is a double chance, as the re-buy is free of charge)
The structure is the same with all levels included (this does'nt happen anywhere else in galway). Again tournament director to oversee a fair game.

I'm dissappointed Jacques your opinion of pokerevents, that we are a greedy company, and hope by doing the simple maths you realise that we make absolutly no profit from our weekly events, even though they are run to the highest standards in the country and that includes cardrooms and casino's.

Anyway I'm sure I'll see you for our Connacht Challenge 70k next week.

Coillte_Bhoy

You be glad to hear Galway game has changed to a €75 plus €15 freezeout

Is this the regular Wed. night tournament in The Westwood?

I'd also ike to add my 2c worth regarding pokerevents tournaments. I can't believe that anyone can accuse them of being greedy, just do the maths, it's not trocket science.

Pokerevents

Yes regualr wednesday has changed to a 75plus15 freezeout

Coillte_Bhoy

Yes regualr wednesday has changed to a 75plus15 freezeout

Is it 100% cash payout or are tickets given as part of?

Pokerevents

Coillte_Bhoy wrote:

Is it 100% cash payout or are tickets given as part of?

At the moment top 3 places get tickets to the connacht cup.

jacQues

Coillte_Bhoy wrote:

I'd also ike to add my 2c worth regarding pokerevents tournaments. I can't believe that anyone can accuse them of being greedy, just do the maths, it's not trocket science.

What ******* maths are you talking about?

4 aces: 60 + 5 = 7.7% or 90 + 10 = 10%
Westwood: 75 + 15 = 16.7% (same % as for the 'old' 100 + 20)

The 4 aces is an easy favorite here IMHO. Both have the same professional setup. Yes, the Westwood is exceptionally well organized. But so is the 4 aces. The only difference is free softdrinks vs. free sandwiches. Both are commercial organisations. One charges between 7.7% and 10%, while the other charges 16.7%. Those charges mean less prizes for the players. So one charges almost twice as much as the other and we (the punter) get the exact same. So you tell me...

jacQues

P.S. The Westwood is still ten times better than some other poker organisors, who take 30% or more without blushing.

Pokerevents

jacQues wrote:

What ******* maths are you talking about?

4 aces: 60 + 5 = 7.7% or 90 + 10 = 10%
Westwood: 75 + 15 = 16.7% (same % as for the 'old' 100 + 20)

The 4 aces is an easy favorite here IMHO. Both have the same professional setup. Yes, the Westwood is exceptionally well organized. But so is the 4 aces. The only difference is free softdrinks vs. free sandwiches. Both are commercial organisations. One charges between 7.7% and 10%, while the other charges 16.7%. Those charges mean less prizes for the players. So one charges almost twice as much as the other and we (the punter) get the exact same. So you tell me...

jacQues

P.S. The Westwood is still ten times better than some other poker organisors, who take 30% or more without blushing.

Jacques there is a few differences. While I like the 4aces myself and have much respect for Mike/Gerry who run the events they will admit themselves they have no prior experience of running tournaments. Westwood is run by a director who is reconized internationally with almost 20years experience. You are guaranteed a a correct and fair ruling.
Secondly the Weswood is a 4star hotel with proper facilities (such as restrooms / bar / comfortable surrounding) The refreshments served is hot food every week and for the bigger event full hot buffet.
These are but a few points that would make a difference to most people but the main factor is the structure. All our events have every blind level included. The only tournament in the 4aces with this is the monthly 250 plus 25 (which is a great game).
These tournament are run as loss leaders. Casino's DONT make money on tournaments (unless the buy-in is 4figure) they want players punting on the gaming tables and/or the cash tables. This is their main concern

At our events the tournament is always the main concern and players getting a fair proper tournament in comfort.

connie147

jacQues wrote:

What ******* maths are you talking about?

4 aces: 60 + 5 = 7.7% or 90 + 10 = 10%
Westwood: 75 + 15 = 16.7% (same % as for the 'old' 100 + 20)

The 4 aces is an easy favorite here IMHO. Both have the same professional setup. Yes, the Westwood is exceptionally well organized. But so is the 4 aces. The only difference is free softdrinks vs. free sandwiches. Both are commercial organisations. One charges between 7.7% and 10%, while the other charges 16.7%. Those charges mean less prizes for the players. So one charges almost twice as much as the other and we (the punter) get the exact same. So you tell me...

jacQues

P.S. The Westwood is still ten times better than some other poker organisors, who take 30% or more without blushing.

How can the reg charges mean less prizes for the players when the payout is 100%.Do you expect a payout of more than 100%.I dont understand that point.And softdrinks might be free in the casinos but most people tip the same price as it costs to buy.

jacQues

Pokerevents wrote:

You are guaranteed a a correct and fair ruling.

I'm 100% sure that this is the case in the 4aces as well.

Pokerevents wrote:

These are but a few points that would make a difference to most people but the main factor is the structure. All our events have every blind level included. The only tournament in the 4aces with this is the monthly 250 plus 25 (which is a great game).

This is true for all their freeze-out tournaments. I.E. including the 60+5 and 90+10 tournaments. They starts with 9,000 chips instead of 4,5000 and have a very decent 25 minutes' blind structure starting at 25/50. Maybe you can shed some more light on your blind structure for me?

Pokerevents wrote:

Casino's DONT make money on tournaments

And you said earlier in this thread that you don't make a profit either. So all is (approx.) the same. Only difference I see (awaiting your blind structure, though) is the free food vs. the free softdrinks. Personally, I don't care about either; if I'm there its for the poker. When presented with the options for either paying 65 with 92.3% going to the prizepool, or paying 90 with 83.3% goint to the prizepool or paying 100 with 90% going to the prizepool, for me (someone who because of work etc. only can go once every two weeks), the choice would be 4aces. No doubt.

This does not mean that the Westwood isn't a good game. Mind you, I started my post in this thread by telling someone what the best tournaments in town are. The Westwood Wednesday tournament is amongst them. Just to me your TDs 20 years of experience nor the food is never ever worth paying twice as much reg. for the same 'services'. If I had more time and played three nights a week you'd see me there every week. No doubt. This is because I don't mind paying more for a better game. But when presented with three simular tournaments where one takes twice as much reg. (and as a punter I don't care why this is), the choice is simple. When I cannot make it on the days the 60+5 / 90+10 are on, you'll see me in the Westwood, since I don't like playing in badly organised tournaments, even when they take less reg.

jacQues

hairyfairy00

If there is anyone you should be asking if the Westwood is value for money it should be Christy!!! He's on a roll at the moment and if he thought there was no value he as sure as hell wouldn't be up there.
I used to work for Pokerevents and i can tell you some of the hotels we did tournaments in were top class, i never had to put my hand in my pocket to buy anything they took care of their dealers, we had great hotel rooms, food and travel expences were always sorted. I only left because of the fact i began to work longer hours in the casino.

P.S I'm delighted to read that JacQues and 'Pokerevents' Gavin respect the 4 Aces so much, it's always a pleasure to hear good feedback.

Pokerevents

Full structure has being posted here several times. You can also view it on pokerevents.ie.

CodeSniper

The new website address for the club is:

www.the4aces.ie