VW Golf 1.4 170bhp TSI turbo-supercharged

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This should bring in 22.5% or 25% VRT instead of the the usual 30% on the GTI. Also reduced annual road tax. It will highlight Irelands out of date car tax system.

It replaces the 2.0FSI 150bhp which currently retails from €27,935.

http://www.channel4.com/4car/news/news-story.jsp?news_id=14412

kluivert

I cant see the insurance companies going easy on the premiums though, but you never know.

Well done to VW though for producing a great wee car.

Just looking at the starting price as per the link, its the same price as the Vauxhall Astra VXR.

Give me the VXR any day.

bazz26

This has been covered here before afaik.

But the 1.4 TFSi will only be available in GT trim level as a "luke warm" alternative to the GTi. Expect to see it costing around €30k - €31k here. Insurance will probably be expensive also since it has almost 170bhp.

drdre

im waiting for this to come to ireland.i have heard from 3 different dealers thats its not coming here yet.

so has anyone got any news of when it will be here
as im deciding of getting this or gti.

maidhc

drdre wrote:

as im deciding of getting this or gti.

Hold off for a couple of years on the TSI anyway, there are bound to be teething problems with all the complicated stuff.

drdre

maidhc wrote:

Hold off for a couple of years on the TSI anyway, there are bound to be teething problems with all the complicated stuff.

thats exactly what my dad said he said its better get a 05 gti instead of the new 1.4 tsi.just to be on the safe side.

ando

170 BHP from a 1.4! woah

Sparky

ando wrote:

170 BHP from a 1.4! woah

I was saying the same, nice indeed.

Tipsy Mac

It will likely go the way of the RX8 where some new status will be dreamt up by one of the Revenue Commissioners.

maidhc

Tipsy Mac wrote:

It will likely go the way of the RX8 where some new status will be dreamt up by one of the Revenue Commissioners.

They will have a job to come up with an excuse though; it is a conventional engine unlike the Mazda.

Stephen

I predict a turbo-tax...

bazz26

ando wrote:

170 BHP from a 1.4! woah

It is indeed. Interestingly Honda had something like 158bhp from the 1.6 VTi in the Civic back in the early 1990s, no turbo or super charger fitted.

It would be great if VW could drop the turbo or super charger off the TFSi and have say a 100bhp or 110bhp version replace that sluggish 1.4 75bhp engine.

ds20prefecture

bazz26 wrote:

It would be great if VW could drop the turbo or super charger off the TFSi and have say a 100bhp or 110bhp version replace that sluggish 1.4 75bhp engine.

They did that in the Fabia - 100bhp 1.4. Bizarrely, they sold it alongside a 115bhp 2.0L fabia. Why would anyone want an underpowered 2.0 engine in a supermini?

colm_mcm

The 100bhp 1.4 unit was also fitted to the Polo 16V, and the 06 Seat Ibiza and Cordoba

drdre

im really getting excited over this car.can someone that works in a vw garage find out and tellme if it is going to be available here or not.
thanks

HungryJoey

colm_mcm wrote:

The 100bhp 1.4 unit was also fitted to the Polo 16V, and the 06 Seat Ibiza and Cordoba

Also the Megane has an almost 100BHP 1.4L 16V engine (98Bhp) Which suprises me that the 1.4 16V has only 75Bhp on the golf engine.

Hj

drdre

HungryJoey wrote:

Also the Megane has an almost 100BHP 1.4L 16V engine (98Bhp) Which suprises me that the 1.4 16V has only 75Bhp on the golf engine.

Hj

yeah its so annoying as i paid 24888 euro for a 1.4 golf:rolleyes: .and its only 75bhp.:mad: it should be way more as the money paid is high compared to other brands

unkel

bazz26 wrote:

This has been covered here before afaik

It was indeed. Can't seem to easily find the link to it though...

bazz26 wrote:

nterestingly Honda had something like 158bhp from the 1.6 VTi in the Civic back in the early 1990s, no turbo or super charger fitted

Yes and fair play to Honda for achieving that, but the high bhp figure from a small 4 pot N/A engine doesn't mean much in real life (outside of a racing track). Torque is crap and to use the available power the engine must be kept revved near the 7k or 8k rpm all the time

Supercharger, turbocharger a 1.4 engine.

God that would be a nightmare of an engine to work on

lomb

drdre wrote:

yeah its so annoying as i paid 24888 euro for a 1.4 golf:rolleyes: .and its only 75bhp.:mad: it should be way more as the money paid is high compared to other brands

u were robbed drdre, we paid 25500 for a new golf 1.6fsi 5door comfortline with 6 speed tiptronic auto option..

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Am I the only person on the planet who hasent heard about this car? Anyway it sounds great. As for reliability I dont think I wouldnt worry. Superchargers and turbocharges have been around for ages. THis engine will hopefully appear in the A4 too.

I've heard that mercedes are bringing out a car with no less then three turbo chargers. Tri-Turbo just sounds so nice.

maidhc

full forward wrote:

I've heard that mercedes are bringing out a car with no less then three turbo chargers. Tri-Turbo just sounds so nice.

Wait until Gilette start making engines!

Robbo

maidhc wrote:

Wait until Gilette start making engines!

Then you'll have a more expensive new model out a year later, identical except for an extra lubricating strip. And then Wilkinson Sword enter with a quad turbo..

fjon

Impressive, but....
I'm not sure it will do too well - why woud you get this over a GTi?
If you're paying €31k for a Golf, why not pay €35k? Looks like insurance won't be much different (although motor tax certainly will).

drdre

lomb wrote:

u were robbed drdre, we paid 25500 for a new golf 1.6fsi 5door comfortline with 6 speed tiptronic auto option..

i got beige leather, sunroof,arm rest as extra.thats why its expensive.
but at the time i was getting the car the main problem was insurance but now im building up my noclaims so i can get a better car soon eg gti:D

PauloMN

fjon wrote:

Impressive, but....
I'm not sure it will do too well - why woud you get this over a GTi?
If you're paying €31k for a Golf, why not pay €35k? Looks like insurance won't be much different (although motor tax certainly will).

Fuel and annual road tax are two regular charges that people are keen to reduce, both will be a lot less than with the 2L GTi.

Also the VRT rate is 22.5% on a 1.4 as compared with 30% on a 2.0. However I wonder will VW just counter that with a higher asking price, I suspect they well.

Price and trim will decide how well the car does in Ireland. I'd be interested in one at the right price, and if it wasn't poverty spec. I think they must price this under €30k, otherwise it'll be creeping up to the GTi and people will fail to see the advantage.

Now what we all REALLY want to see is that engine make it into an Octavia....

Anan1

PauloMN wrote:

Now what we all REALLY want to see is that engine make it into an Octavia....

Or a Fabia;)

PauloMN

On the 75bhp thing - selling a modern heavy car with 75bhp out of a 1.4 litre is nothing short of scandalous. Mind you, it's not so long they were selling 60bhp Golfs with 1.4 litres.

But seriously, in this day and age.... 75bhp in a new Golf is mad. I had a 1990 registered Rover 414 which produced 103bhp from a 1.4 in a lighter car - 16 years ago? Crazy that they get away with it, but this is Ireland of course.

Actually I'd like to see how much polution a 75bhp 1.4 produces when being driven hard to keep a heavy car up with the traffic as compared with a 1.6 FSi or similar. We really should start taxing cars like they do in the UK - on CO2 emmissions.

Anan1

PauloMN wrote:

Crazy that they get away with it, but this is Ireland of course.

To be fair, the fact that a 1.4 Golf engine only produces 75bhp has little to do with this being Ireland.

PauloMN

Anan1 wrote:

To be fair, the fact that a 1.4 Golf engine only produces 75bhp has little to do with this being Ireland.

The fact they can get away with selling it here though certainly does, that was my point. Sift through the pages of a UK Autotrader or similar and see how many 1.4 litre Golfs you can find.

Anan1

PauloMN wrote:

The fact they can get away with selling it here though certainly does, that was my point. Sift through the pages of a UK Autotrader or similar and see how many 1.4 litre Golfs you can find.

AFAIK, the 1.4 Golf is sold all over Europe. The days of the Irish only buying base model cars are now well and truly over.

drdre

Anan1 wrote:

AFAIK, the 1.4 Golf is sold all over Europe. The days of the Irish only buying base model cars are now well and truly over.

no the days are not over.check out carzone.ie and check out the forecourts theres loads of base models and 1.4 models.

PauloMN

Anan1 wrote:

AFAIK, the 1.4 Golf is sold all over Europe. The days of the Irish only buying base model cars are now well and truly over.

Yes, it is sold outside of Ireland. But look at the percentages of 1.4 litre Golfs here compared with even our closest neighbours. Search Carzone, then search a UK car site. About 10% of the UK ones are 1.4s, about 75-80% I'd say here are 1.4s.

Don't entirely agree that the days of Irish buying base models are over though. Take the Avensis and Vectra, both available with 1.6 litre engines in good ol' Ireland, not available with 1.6 litres in the UK. Either of them. Both huge sellers in the UK, but obviously they wouldn't be in 1.6 litre form.

Like I say, let's start taxing based on CO2 rather than engine size. Why should someone who needs a family car feel forced into a 1.6?

HungryJoey

Anan1 wrote:

AFAIK, the 1.4 Golf is sold all over Europe. The days of the Irish only buying base model cars are now well and truly over.

Oh god no... You Couldn't be more wrong. Take a trip over to the UK and you will find you're self suprised and the standard of spec people put on their cars over there. Their standard is WAY above ours and people argue that its not But I am telling you I can thik the same alot of the time but when ever I go over ( Quite often ) I look at the cars and I say, WOW. Even just taking for eg a Ford Mondeo or an even Mercedes E200 .. They will have whooping specs on them Like Xenon's, Large alloys, Leather and they look stunning. Or even the Passat, 98% here are you're bog standard 1.9TDI. The sight of 2L TDI's are very rare over here... Take a trip to the UK and you'll have no shortage over there, Plenty Of High line 2L TDI's. Just another example. I couldn't stress anymore how the standard of our cars is so poor here. Most of our cars here are quite plane. Some amazing cars over there...

Hj

Anan1

PauloMN wrote:

Yes, it is sold outside of Ireland. But look at the percentages of 1.4 litre Golfs here compared with even our closest neighbours. Search Carzone, then search a UK car site. About 10% of the UK ones are 1.4s, about 75-80% I'd say here are 1.4s.

The UK is only one country in Europe, and an unusual one in that they have so many company cars.

drdre

Anan1 wrote:

The UK is only one country in Europe, and an unusual one in that they have so many company cars.

what are you talking about:D , 1.4 and base models are still in demand.

HungryJoey

Anan1 wrote:

The UK is only one country in Europe, and an unusual one in that they have so many company cars.

I know this is outside Europe, But I know of several people in the US who own passats and if you mentioned to them about owning a 1.9TDI you'd be laughed at. Their standard is even higher and yes I know its the US but I am just saying... They'd be after either a 2.5L TDi or the 3.2L Petrol. But I know this is the US.

Hj

PauloMN

Anan1 wrote:

The UK is only one country in Europe, and an unusual one in that they have so many company cars.

But across Europe, it gets even more pronounced than the UK. I doubt you'll see many 1.4 Golfs in France or Germany for example, even less than you will in the UK.

I'm not going to argue about it, it's a fact that here in Ireland base trim lowest engine capacity models are the most in demand. Just look around, look at the cars for sale and you will see this yourself.

colm_mcm

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Big Balls

Dre you were out of your mind putting full leather into a 1.4 car in fairness..

colm_mcm

Nothing wrong with havin leather. slightly better than spending €2000 extra on getting a proper engine in the Golf,

Big Balls

I would've thought it would be the other way around Colm, no?

How many 1.4 cars do you see with a €2,400 factory option of leather added?

drdre

Big Balls wrote:

Dre you were out of your mind putting full leather into a 1.4 car in fairness..

i know i was out of my mind BUT i couldnot get cheap insurance so i thought i would splash out on leather instead until my car which will be soon.i was trying to get my insurance down and now it is so hopefully get gti or this new 1.4 170bhp.(if it ever comes out here) and will still get the leather as its nice with the heated seats:D

colm_mcm

I would rather have a 1.4 with leather on my forecourt than a 1.6.

Why should you not have some luxury just because you have a small engine.
You wouldn't like the Megane Monaco or Corolla Sol then, Satnav Leather Climate etc. and a 1.4 engine

Squirrel

colm_mcm wrote:

I would rather have a 1.4 with leather on my forecourt than a 1.6.

Why should you not have some luxury just because you have a small engine.
You wouldn't like the Megane Monaco or Corolla Sol then, Satnav Leather Climate etc. and a 1.4 engine

The Peugeot 206 Roland Garros being another prime example. drdre, if your Golf was automatic you could do quite nicely selling it to a retired executive who's come out of a big luxury car with leather and wants something small and comfortable.

Big Balls

colm_mcm wrote:

You wouldn't like the Megane Monaco or Corolla Sol then, Satnav Leather Climate etc. and a 1.4 engine

No, I most certainly wouldn't. A to B cars don't interest me in the slightest.

And there's a big difference between speccing a 1.4 with an optional extra worth over €2,000 and a car having the things you list as standard.

Kermitt

I son't see why eberyone slates the 1.4 golf so much. I bought one in january and have never found it wanting when overtaking, and very comfortable on motorways. Most of my driving is on country roads and it doesn't struggle at any time, or when the trailer is behind it. Obviously a 1.8 will be quicker, but the roads in this country don't really lend themselves to powerful cars anyway.

Ba$tard

Wow! Hats off to the VAG group to produce such a thing....that rocks.

FSI is a seriously good engine, offering a touch higher power than a normal version of engine, but far better economy and response.

As for the comment about the Civic VTi, I had one and sold it unfortunately...1.6 16Ba2 167bhp engine, 150 lb.ft torque, 0-60 in 7.3 seconds and faster than a BMW 323Ci (2.5 litre) ....thats some normally-aspirated engineering!

Now I drive a Diesel A6 1.9tdi 130bhp (240lb/ft torque) and am amazed at the return in fuel economy, 400 miles for 40 litres, about 47mpg.

This 1.4 is nice mix of both.

unkel

Ba$tard wrote:

Civic VTi, I had one and sold it unfortunately...1.6 16Ba2 167bhp engine, 150 lb.ft torque, 0-60 in 7.3 seconds and faster than a BMW 323Ci (2.5 litre)

Not quite. On paper the acceleration figures for the Civic might be close enough (ovbiously top speed is no where near the BMW) but in practice, the tiny amount of torque - again no where near 150lbft, more like 150NM - doesn't help the Honda that also needs to be revved to racing car levels before it would even get out of its bed

Interesting car though, that VTI

RobAMerc

I have been wondering for years why someone hasn't tried this idea before. I remember years back there was some car which had bi turbo but one smaller than the other to help reduce lag.

Kudos to VW - this is a proper move forward for motoring imo. Maybe we will lament the death of big engined cars a bit less in the future.

I look forward to pretending to be interested in buying one of these and taking it for a spin at my local vag dealer

Delta_ie

RobAMerc wrote:

I have been wondering for years why someone hasn't tried this idea before. I remember years back there was some car which had bi turbo but one smaller than the other to help reduce lag.

Kudos to VW - this is a proper move forward for motoring imo. Maybe we will lament the death of big engined cars a bit less in the future.

I look forward to pretending to be interested in buying one of these and taking it for a spin at my local vag dealer

It has already been done before, Nissan did it with the March Superturbo...