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connie147

PPP Irish Open,main event.Approx 3 hours in.Me(SB,15,000 chips)(I have a very tight image at this stage having only played a few hands and only having to showdown once having A-A).Blind 100-200,folded around to me,I have Qc-10c in the small blind,I make it up and the BB mahes it 600 to go.(the BB is a rock like player and nicky power had advised me before the start that he only puts money in with big hands).BB has about 12,500 chips.I call and flop brings Kc-4c-Jd.I check,he bets 1,000,I call.Turn card is 7c,I check,he bets 1500,I reraise to 5,000,he immediately goes all-in!!!.I feel like instanly calling but nickys word are sending off alarm bells and after an age I decide he couldnt put in all his chips here without the nuts so I folded and he showed Ac-6c.questions i have

1--should i have folded pre flop?
2--should I have reraised on the flop with the open ended str draw and the 2nd nut flush?
Please feel free to be critical.

smurph

connie147 wrote:

PPP Irish Open,main event.Approx 3 hours in.Me(SB,15,000 chips)(I have a very tight image at this stage having only played a few hands and only having to showdown once having A-A).Blind 100-200,folded around to me,I have Qc-10c in the small blind,I make it up and the BB mahes it 600 to go.(the BB is a rock like player and nicky power had advised me before the start that he only puts money in with big hands).BB has about 12,500 chips.I call and flop brings Kc-4c-Jd.I check,he bets 1,000,I call.Turn card is 7c,I check,he bets 1500,I reraise to 5,000,he immediately goes all-in!!!.I feel like instanly calling but nickys word are sending off alarm bells and after an age I decide he couldnt put in all his chips here without the nuts so I folded and he showed Ac-6c.questions i have

1--should i have folded pre flop?
2--should I have reraised on the flop with the open ended str draw and the 2nd nut flush?
Please feel free to be critical.

I feel you would never have got him off the pot unless you re-raised all in on the flop. That would have put the decision on him. In the end you made the right decision. It was a good lay down by you Connie and I would have played preflop for extra 400 in chips with thos cards.

ollyk1

Good laydown Connie.

I play it as you played it until the turn. I'm not sure about the check raise on the turn though. Yes you've got the second nuts but you are also killing the board. Would a very tight player laydown a set here that he might call a value bet on the river with? Say you flat call and you bet out 3000 on a non-club river is this not a better line? Of course he'll reraise all-in but you don't lose anymore then you did anyway and you may get a call from AK or KK that you wouldn't otherwise get.

The only problem is giving a free card to Ac but with you holding two clubs this reduces his outs going into the river and gives you a chance to get away from a beat maybe.....

When he pushes hes either got the nuts or AK with the Ac. Based on the description and your correct read the fold is the best option. I don't think he'd push a set here after your reraise if hes as tight as you say.

5starpool

I prefer you're line on this Connie to that which Olly suggests. If you had flat called on the turn and bet and faced a raise on the river it would be harder to lay down. A reraise of a check-raiser shows real strength in this hand. I think you can be glad your opponent didn't show a bit more subtlety here as he could def have got more from you on the river by just calling your reraise on the turn.

I think you played the hand fine. Raising with a draw that big on the flop is something I do sometimes, and not others. You got unlucky in this hand, but I think you played it fine. Nice laydown in the end, just goes to show that a bit of prior knowledge in this game can be a valuable thing.

Ollieboy

very well played and a great laydown. I'm a bit supprised with his raise in the BB with A6 suit, not really a rock image.

The call on the preflop was fine, the call on the flop was fine, but I think I would have reraised to find out how strong his hand was on the flop and try to take the pot here, I think I would have also reraised on the turn and found it very hard to get away from this hand, you could have lost your whole stack in this hand, very hard to put him on A6 here.

So excellant laydown. If you had put him to the decision on the flop, I think you might have taken the hand as he only had the nut flush, he also should have flat called your raise of 5k and let you bluff the river.

ollyk1

5starpool wrote:

I prefer you're line on this Connie to that which Olly suggests. If you had flat called on the turn and bet and faced a raise on the river it would be harder to lay down. A reraise of a check-raiser shows real strength in this hand. I think you can be glad your opponent didn't show a bit more subtlety here as he could def have got more from you on the river by just calling your reraise on the turn.

I think you played the hand fine. Raising with a draw that big on the flop is something I do sometimes, and not others. You got unlucky in this hand, but I think you played it fine. Nice laydown in the end, just goes to show that a bit of prior knowledge in this game can be a valuable thing.

I dunno Dom you are saying this with the knowledge that Connie is behind and how to minimise losses. I'm asking the question from the perspective that Connie has the second nuts against a tight player and I think a reraise screams strength. Fair enough reraise the flop when we are drawing, but now we've hit what we think is a good card. I think the reraise lets a lot of good hands that will make a crying call on the river off the hook.

If I call 3500 more on the turn how much do I have to pay to see the river? How do I like my AK now?

Plus if I bet out on the river its a nice value/blocker bet and if he reraises me I have to put him on the nuts here or else a very big bluff.

Betting on the flop and creating a big pot oop will make this hand tricky if we miss on the turn so how much to raise on the flop is tricky. I prefer the smooth call on the flop to be honest with a big draw or else CR all-in but I don't like betting out here.

5starpool

I see your point Olly, but to play it with a flat call of the bet on the turn would not gain you any information and the only time I wouldn't need information here is when I am 100% sure that I am good.

Edit: Even when I am sure I am ahead a reraise will let you define your opponents hand here too, as well as preventing drawing free with the lone ace, but like you I would not be unduly worried about that particular draw.

A non club river in the situation you create above may not be a scare card for him if he feels you are either still on the draw or have a good but not great holding which you are content to check call with. If I were him in this action and had hit a set/top 2 I would be likely to reraise and river bet here. It is not just with the nuts that he could do this after this betting pattern. Without all the information in a hand like this you could easily find yourself calling a big raise on the river or even shoving, which in this hand would have been disastrous.

I am not advocating reraising the flop, as it is something I am less likely to do now, but there are still situations where I will do this on occasion.

connie147

Ollieboy. I'm a bit supprised wrote:

very well played and a great laydownwith his raise in the BB with A6 suit, not really a rock image.

The call on the preflop was fine, the call on the flop was fine, but I think I would have reraised to find out how strong his hand was on the flop and try to take the pot here, I think I would have also reraised on the turn and found it very hard to get away from this hand, you could have lost your whole stack in this hand, very hard to put him on A6 here.

So excellant laydown. If you had put him to the decision on the flop, I think you might have taken the hand as he only had the nut flush, he also should have flat called your raise of 5k and let you bluff the river.

Agreed Ollie his raise PF with A-6s is not in line with his rock image,but remember I was playing with a rock image myself so I presume he felt his raise was enough to let him collect the blinds.I had every intention of taking the pot off him on the turn even if no club arrived so I guess I was unlucky there.As it played,I think if he had flat called me on the turn,I would have pushed the rest of my chips in on the river thinking I was ahead.

Poker & Pints

you should have folded preflop. By the way great Lay down. If you were able to lay down that flush, why could you not lay down preflop to a rock raising you...it was only 200. IMHO

Goodluck2me

i agree with poker and pints here, if the flop is QQA there or such your making decsions you dont want to make... but great laydown all the same.

Daithio

Fantastic laydown. I think I would have bet the flop, but off that player you're more than likely just getting a flat call so he's filling his flush on the turn anyway. If I did bet out, and he rraised, I think I'd rraise again (on the flop this is)

Daithio

Poker & Pints wrote:

you should have folded preflop. By the way great Lay down. If you were able to lay down that flush, why could you not lay down preflop to a rock raising you...it was only 200. IMHO

QT suited isn't a bad hand to try and bust a big hand with, especially if it's not that much more to you.

MrPillowTalk

How is this guy a rock if he makes it 600 to go with Ac6c? think there is a bit more play in him than pure rock.

I would be getting really aggresive on the flop and wouldnt mind getting it all in right there.

Fantastic laydown on the turn, I hope you didnt show it cos otherwise you would be facing reraises all day long? If I am you I go broke there I think its too easy for a rock to be playing a set hard to protect against a flush draw so second nuts would be fine for me to go bust.

RoundTower

I don't like your play preflop given what you know about him, I think you should raise first in or fold when he raises. I would probably bet or check raise the flop but I don't mind the way you played it. Excellent fold on the turn, I am going broke there pretty much every time, looks like he has to have exactly AcJc to have you beaten.