10/20 PLO: AA, flops top set

fuzzbox

full ring PLO 10/20.

Effective stacks about 2000

Preflop
Folded to lag on the button who opens the pot to 55, I call in the SB with AA53 suited in hearts, the BB also calls ... seems solid I guess.

3 to the flop (165)
AcKsQd
I check, BB pots, lag folds, I call (?)

Turn (485)
Tc
check, check

River (5d)
I lead for 175 ......

I think he has KK or QQ I guess

ianmc38

I prefer check-calling the river but I suck at the Yamaha.

fuzzbox

ianmc38 wrote:

I prefer check-calling the river but I suck at the Yamaha.

I dont really think he bets KK or QQ on the river.

ianmc38

fuzzbox wrote:

I dont really think he bets KK or QQ on the river.

Well if your read is good then obviously a value bet is correct. If your read is bad and he pumps it, then we've a tough call to make.

fuzzbox

ianmc38 wrote:

Well if your read is good then obviously a value bet is correct. If your read is bad and he pumps it, then we've a tough call to make.

If he pumps it, then I fold.
Its a blocker/value bet really. Looking for a call from KK/QQ ... dont think he can raise without the nut str8 here.

RoundTower

Looks good to me.

Lafortezza

I'd lead the river for a bit more, $200-$250, otherwise vnh.

fuzzbox

Results:
Villain folded ... musta had KK or QQ, or *maybe* ak.

cardshark202

He could have had anything, 5678ds even and just had one shot on the flop then gave it up once he was called.

fuzzbox

cardshark202 wrote:

He could have had anything, 5678ds even and just had one shot on the flop then gave it up once he was called.

Thanks for explaining that

cardshark202

fuzzbox wrote:

Thanks for explaining that

You're welcome.

spectre

Its a blocker/value bet really

Could someone please explain the concept of a blocker bet and when it should be used

Goodluck2me

spectre wrote:

Could someone please explain the concept of a blocker bet and when it should be used

my idea of a blocker bet is, say for example you have a strong hand which beats many others but isnt the nuts mayeb the 3/4th nuts, and there is a pot of 200, you bet say 60 into it, so you a) you get value from weaker hands and b) you are only going to be raised here from very strong hands. if you check for example they may try to bluff or max bet for 100-200 and you dont particularly want to call beets of that size.

Hectorjelly

spectre wrote:

Could someone please explain the concept of a blocker bet and when it should be used

a blocking bet is just one designed to stop your opponent bluffing you, or get to a cheapish showdown. Often times (as in this post) a bet is both a value bet (as we want to get called by worse hands a good amount of times) and a blocking bet, designed to stop your opponent raising you without a great hand. Its important to note that if you are likely to make the correct decision when faced with a bluff then blocking bets will cost you money.

You use it when you are oop with a marginal hand on the river, or you are oop with a good hand but a draw hits. If you bet 1/2 pot it looks like you might of hit the draw so its very hard for your opponent to raise you without the goods. Make sure you bet the same when your draws hit

RoundTower

The idea is that you stop your opponent bluffing you, because he will bluff less often with a raise than with a bet. I don't like blocking bets on principle: it always smacks of scared money to me and it is usually more profitable to induce a bluff IMO. I would bet here though, because there is a reasonable chance my opponent has KK/QQ and will pay me off, and I see it as a value bet.

RoundTower

fuzzbox wrote:

If he pumps it, then I fold.

If he minraises, though, you call So making it 175 instead of 250 means you have to call 75 less when he clearly has the nuts.

fuzzbox

RoundTower wrote:

If he minraises, though, you call So making it 175 instead of 250 means you have to call 75 less when he clearly has the nuts.

No, I fold to a minraise here. This is PLO - he aint gonna bluff this board EVER ... its waaay to easy for me to have the nuts.

Also - I didnt really think he could call much ... and I was right . Shoulda bet 25 ... mighta got paid.

RoundTower

I know you aren't ever getting raised, even minraised, even if you only bet 100, unless he has the nuts. Just something you said not that long ago about how you couldn't stop calling these minraises on the river when you were clearly lost.

edit: maybe he could have JJJJ and played the hand on the blind up until now, or misclicked on every street. But I admit it's unlikely.

fuzzbox

RoundTower wrote:

I know you aren't ever getting raised, even minraised, even if you only bet 100, unless he has the nuts. Just something you said not that long ago about how you couldn't stop calling these minraises on the river when you were clearly lost.

Yeah - but thats in holdem ... I still do that - although I chastise myself vigourously about it.