Garda reserve no way!!

walshb

I wonder does the article below have anything to do with Gardai being angry at a reserve force helping them out.


http://www.unison.ie/irish_independent/stories.php3?ca=9&si=1596559&issue_id=13912

corco2000

It has nothing to do with this...Over time will always exist as in the article criminals work 24/7....Im think reserve would be a disaster and is only a political 'get out of jail' ploy for Mcdonogood...he hasn't delivered on garda numbers and is only making up for this before next election,IMO.
I personnly can not see a reserve force in Ire.

mike65

Heres the text for those not registered

A DUBLIN garda made a whopping €45,000 in overtime last year.

That brought his salary to over €88,000 - three times the average industrial wage of €29,193.

Overall, the taxpayer funded the Garda overtime bill to the tune of over €77m - most of it going to gardai based in the capital.

Figures released under the Freedom of Information Act show that 19 of the top 20 recipients of the overtime bonanza were based in Dublin.

In all, the top 20 - which comprised three inspectors, 10 sergeants and seven rank-and-file gardai - shared €809,654.

A garda's payscale goes from €23,952 to €43,040 after 17 years' service, a sergeant's salary rises from €43,457 to €50,040, while an Inspector can earn from €50,313 to €55,829.

The overall Garda overtime bill last year was down 7pc on the €83.5m spent in 2004, though the bill in 2004 was a 47pc increase on the funds spent on overtime in 2003 and included operations such as security for the EU Presidency and for the visit of US President George Bush.

The overtime bill last year included €478,769 spent on the security operation at Shannon airport due to ongoing security concerns over protests at the use of the airport by the US military.

A spokesman for the Association of Garda Sergeants and Inspectors said that overtime is not an issue in its opposition to the Garda Reserve.

"We want more members to be recruited, which would reduce the overtime costs. Policing must contain some element of overtime as criminals don't work nine-to-five."

They can say no till they explode but the anwser is yes (in part anyway).

Mike.

walshb

Personally these figures seem obscene to me. What I'd like to know is whether or not these Gardai are really earning this cash, are they putting in the work and dedication the taxpayer deserve, because if current crime figures are anything to go by, it seems very very unlikely. I would not have a problenm if the streets were being policed and people were being protected, but they aren't and that's what annoys me.

corco2000

€23,952 your first 17yrs of career...would you deal with scum 24/7 for this kinda money(minus tax)? Eh hell no....this article is miss leading they pin point the top ten earners etc...Now if you calculate the number of Garda in the force divide it by 77m...it works out to be approx 3,000euro over time per G after tax (thats what I get)....that's not extreme...Well I don't think so.Look at the bigger picture...They have one of the worst jobs (them and nurses IMO) they are undermaned and under funded...thats not there problem it's Dept of Justice....So to reply to ''are they putting in the work and dedication the taxpayer deserve,'' For 23k basic and 3K OT...I think they deserve a hell of alot more.

walshb

Oh and who put a gun to their head forcing them into the job. They're doing a job, no different than a lot of other jobs, they chose it and that means they have to do it, until the time they decide they don't want it anymore. This crap of how tough and demanding it is. The streets are still extremely unsafe and response times throughout the country are a disgrace. I've walked the busiest street in Dublin on many a Saturday night and haven't seen a single cop. This at a time were every drunken scoundrel is about and a lot of violent crime is being committed. The job is hardly going to be a 'walk in the park' now is it, what do they expect....

walshb

Oh and this 23k is their starting salary. It does not stay like that for 17yrs.....

corco2000

Walshb, I agree with you nobody put a gun to any of there heads...Im just saying that a paper/journalist/poster on this forum shouldn't critise them for earning overtime and not deserving it, and thats NOT the reason they don't want a reserve force,so they won't get any more OT.
I agree you might not have seena G on a saturday night etc....it's true they are under-maned...but Minister for J promised 3000 extra G's which has never materialised! And now he turns around with this bright idea of training the public in 48 hours and given them basically the same duty and rights as a G...Don't add up I thinks!!!
Yeah start at 23k according to paper..

history_buff

There's one deliberate media distortion I'd like to clear up here:

http://www.unison.ie/irish_independent/stories.php3?ca=9&si=1596692&issue_id=13912

Eddie Murphy, of Dublin south central, claimed the reserve idea was a number crunching exercise prior to the general election and would lead to the creation of Playstation cops and attract messianic zealots to the part-time force.

Sgt Murphy didn't say "messianic zealots"; he said "Masonic zealots". There's a big difference.

deputydugs

Then Join up or crib about the lack of members on the streets to your local td

walshb wrote:

Oh and who put a gun to their head forcing them into the job. They're doing a job, no different than a lot of other jobs, they chose it and that means they have to do it, until the time they decide they don't want it anymore. This crap of how tough and demanding it is. The streets are still extremely unsafe and response times throughout the country are a disgrace. I've walked the busiest street in Dublin on many a Saturday night and haven't seen a single cop. This at a time were every drunken scoundrel is about and a lot of violent crime is being committed. The job is hardly going to be a 'walk in the park' now is it, what do they expect....