calling all tourney experts,how do you deal with this?

Gholimoli

ok its bubble time in a very well paid tourney.
say there about 15 or so left.
your stack is avarage or maybe just above avarage but not too deep.
there are couple of player on your table that have more than you ,a couple have same size and a few have less.
one of the big stacks who has also has position on you is rasing every hand.
he is playing the bubble extreamly well .
open raising every hand and firing on all most all streets.
capable of having any two cards at all.
will also call your raise with anything at all.
will get involved in most raised pots and will buy the pot with big bets.
his stack is gone from 70K to 17K back to 50K back to 30K up to 80K etc.
on the other hand your not getting any hand and your stack is shrinking.
the blinds are eating you up and the field is not getting any shorter.
this one guy is litterly starving you.
what is the correct way of dealing with this situation?

Ollieboy

wait for a hand and clean him out.

What else can you do? You go up against him with a marginal hand and he'll bet all the way to the river, forcing you to lay it down.

bite your time. Hard if your a aggressive player, so I guess thats why your asking that question.

If a hand doesn't come soon enough, than take a risk with a marginal hand and push against him.

Gholimoli

Ollieboy wrote:

wait for a hand and clean him out.

What else can you do? You go up against him with a marginal hand and he'll bet all the way to the river, forcing you to lay it down.

bite your time. Hard if your a aggressive player, so I guess thats why your asking that question.

If a hand doesn't come soon enough, than take a risk with a marginal hand and push against him.

see thats just the thing.its all good if a hand does come but this happend to me yesterday and a hand didnt come untill my stack nearly halfed in size.
i went from comfortable to desparate shape playing only one hand cuz i didnt get anything else.
surely there must be a defence agaisnt this and if not then why am i not the one applying this method.
i always knew the power of this method near the bubble but yesterday it became clear just how effective it is.
now i have to find a defence strategy agaisnt this and i dont think waiting for a hand is one.

eggie

As above

5starpool

If he will call any raise with any 2 cards then there is really no effective defence against this while this player is still in the tournament. Re-raising him with muck is not good, while waiting for 2 good cards that might not come along is not a great idea either.

Chances are in this situation he will get tangled up sufficiently with one/more of the players at the table to knock him out if he plays every hand by raising/calling. This doesn't seem like bubble strategy to me, it seems like an idiot thinking he is playing bubble strategy. I don't know how you can say he is playing it well. Open raising is one thing, but calling a raise with any 2 cards is just idiotic.

If he does not get involved with other stacks enough to shut him up then just pick a hand when you are sure it'll just be you and him and go for it. This is far from ideal, but this seems to be an extreme case. If you don't get lucky then at least you didn't just wait to be blinded away.

staringelf

5starpool wrote:

If he does not get involved with other stacks enough to shut him up then just pick a hand when you are sure it'll just be you and him and go for it. This is far from ideal, but this seems to be an extreme case. If you don't get lucky then at least you didn't just wait to be blinded away.

i agree. the blinds are obviously large enough to merit a push/fold strategy. pick a hand and push. unless you get dealt a monster in which case i'd try and extract the most out of him as possible (which shouldn't be too hard if he plays every hand like you mentioned). seems like pretty standard bubble time sng play to me. coin flip and 60/40 time. lets hope you get lucky.

Bp!

Howya Ghomoli

From playin with you quite a bit lately I can imagine you were probably frustrated that it wasnt you being the aggresive player and in your mind took it personally ? ? You probably felt you *had* to play back at this player at some stage?

I could be totally wrong though i imagine you did


What about all the other players at the table? Their chips have to go somewhere to , so if he passes up a hand you can play against them. Unless you have a big hand you really shouldnt tango with this hyper aggresive player as he can call your all in with a very marginal hand even for the simple advertising that hes not afraid to take players on with below par hands, and throwin you to the rail at the same time :mad:

Gholimoli

5starpool wrote:

If he will call any raise with any 2 cards then there is really no effective defence against this while this player is still in the tournament. Re-raising him with muck is not good, while waiting for 2 good cards that might not come along is not a great idea either.

Chances are in this situation he will get tangled up sufficiently with one/more of the players at the table to knock him out if he plays every hand by raising/calling. This doesn't seem like bubble strategy to me, it seems like an idiot thinking he is playing bubble strategy. I don't know how you can say he is playing it well. Open raising is one thing, but calling a raise with any 2 cards is just idiotic.

If he does not get involved with other stacks enough to shut him up then just pick a hand when you are sure it'll just be you and him and go for it. This is far from ideal, but this seems to be an extreme case. If you don't get lucky then at least you didn't just wait to be blinded away.

he is not stupid.
to give you an example:
his got 50K
villain got 30K
blinds 800/1600

villain makes it 6K
he calls with position on him.
flop : 4 7 9
villain makes a half pot size bet
he calls.
turn: 2
villain checks
he goes all in
villain calls with AK
this dude has 47
boom his up 30K.

this way of playing you have to have amazing reading abilities and play very well post flop.but trust me its very effective simply because ppl will not take you on with out a very good hand.and when they do get involved with you ,you can easily narrow the range of hands they may have and play accourdingly.
its very effective and im trying to employ it my self.
the thing is i need to know how to defend against it as well.

ianmc38

I was playing in the 200k on FT the other night. 32 left and the chip leader was going all-in every hand. Got called a few times, once with AA once with 37. He sucked out with the 37 and everyone started letting him steal every single blind. I eventually went all in with TT and he called with J8s. Rivered a J, but there you go.

Tough one to play against.

Gholimoli

Bp! wrote:

Howya Ghomoli

From playin with you quite a bit lately I can imagine you were probably frustrated that it wasnt you being the aggresive player and in your mind took it personally ? ? You probably felt you *had* to play back at this player at some stage?

I could be totally wrong though i imagine you did


What about all the other players at the table? Their chips have to go somewhere to , so if he passes up a hand you can play against them. Unless you have a big hand you really shouldnt tango with this hyper aggresive player as he can call your all in with a very marginal hand even for the simple advertising that hes not afraid to take players on with below par hands, and throwin you to the rail at the same time :mad:

BP i am aggro player but this fact didnt bother me that why im not the one doing it.
however the fact that when we were 18 left i had 40K(thanks to this dude for doubling me up) and when we were 15 left i was down to 25K (playing just one hand with AQ against him which i had to drop after missing on the turn) did bother me.
the fact is he dosent really drop a hand and thats the hole point.
he open min riases almost all pots ,what he is saying is basically asking if any one wants to play with him.
most times every one folds.
early postion players fold even though they have have a semi hand but are scared of later position players waking up with a hand.
larte position players simply fold cuz they have no hand.
every now and then you get a caller.
then he fires again on the flop to see where his at.
most ppl fold here if they miss which they often will.
if just gets a call then he knows the other person has a hand and he backs off.
do you see how powerful it is?
im trying to figure out how to protect against it.

Culchie

Bp! wrote:

What about all the other players at the table? Their chips have to go somewhere to , so if he passes up a hand you can play against them. Unless you have a big hand you really shouldnt tango with this hyper aggresive player as he can call your all in with a very marginal hand even for the simple advertising that hes not afraid to take players on with below par hands, and throwin you to the rail at the same time :mad:

ditto, saved me typing that out....Gholi...look elsewhere for easy chips.

5starpool

Well surely he is not willing to risk half his chips vs a pf allin with 47? If he is then fair play to him. If you are not going to wait for a big hand that might not come, or are not willing to call and see a flop that you may not hit, then you only have one option against this type of player. Get it on preflop.

You said in your original mpost that he was willing to firing bets on every street with *any 2 cards*. The example above is 2 pair. That is not with *any* 2. If the flop came AK8 would he have called/fired? I'd sincerely hope not, yet your OP gave that sort of impression.

His play is designed to either dominate or bust which can be very effective. I think your OP gave perhaps the slightly wrong impression if he is not following up pots which he has nothing but others are showing strength in. If he is still playing these type of pots aggressively then good luck to him.

Gholimoli

ianmc38 wrote:

I was playing in the 200k on FT the other night. 32 left and the chip leader was going all-in every hand. Got called a few times, once with AA once with 37. He sucked out with the 37 and everyone started letting him steal every single blind. I eventually went all in with TT and he called with J8s. Rivered a J, but there you go.

Tough one to play against.

going all in pre flop every hand is pure stupid.
you will only get called by hands that your most likely behind.
this is not what im talking about here.
this dude is taking advantge of few things:
most ppl dont have a hand most times.
most ppl miss the flop.
most ppl are scared to play for all their chips near the bubble.
most ppl will let you know how strong their hand is with a reraise.

5starpool

Just seen your next post. It seems the rest of the table are incredibly passive, so no wonder he is playing like this. Does noone come over the top of his min raises? If so what are the results? If not, then why not do it?

Gholimoli

5starpool wrote:

Well surely he is not willing to risk half his chips vs a pf allin with 47? If he is then fair play to him. If you are not going to wait for a big hand that might not come, or are not willing to call and see a flop that you may not hit, then you only have one option against this type of player. Get it on preflop.

You said in your original mpost that he was willing to firing bets on every street with *any 2 cards*. The example above is 2 pair. That is not with *any* 2. If the flop came AK8 would he have called/fired? I'd sincerely hope not, yet your OP gave that sort of impression.

His play is designed to either dominate or bust which can be very effective. I think your OP gave perhaps the slightly wrong impression if he is not following up pots which he has nothing but others are showing strength in. If he is still playing these type of pots aggressively then good luck to him.

the guy plays any two the same way.

another example of the same tourney:

he calls a raise pre flop:
flop K T 5
raiser comes out firing he calls.
turn rag:
raiser fires he calls:

river rag:
riser checks
he goes all in.
raiser calls showing KQ he shows AA.
what i mean is he can have any two cards and itra very hard to put him on a hand.
now the best solution is you said that came to my mind was to get it in pre flop.
but how many hands do you get that your willing to do that on ?

Gholimoli

5starpool wrote:

Just seen your next post. It seems the rest of the table are incredibly passive, so no wonder he is playing like this. Does noone come over the top of his min raises? If so what are the results? If not, then why not do it?

i came over the top him with J8s and ATs and 78s a few times.
the chip leader played with him as well but he backed off.
the others simply dont have enough chips to get involved with him or are trying to protect their stack like me.
what im wondering is basically the hand range you will need to get involved with such a player.

ianmc38

Gholimoli wrote:

most ppl dont have a hand most times.
most ppl miss the flop.
most ppl are scared to play for all their chips near the bubble.
most ppl will let you know how strong their hand is with a reraise.

Pushing preflop also exploits all the first 3 points above as dumb a move as it is.

You say he's calling raises with any 2. How does he react to a push after he raises?

By folding to him every time you are letting him dominate you. You can afford to call and raise with weaker holdings as you know his range is pretty wide. Are you also afraid that he can outplay you on all 3 streets as well as preflop?

5starpool

Gholimoli wrote:

the guy plays any two the same way.

another example of the same tourney:

he calls a raise pre flop:
flop K T 5
raiser comes out firing he calls.
turn rag:
raiser fires he calls:

river rag:
riser checks
he goes all in.
raiser calls showing KQ he shows AA.
what i mean is he can have any two cards and itra very hard to put him on a hand.
now the best solution is you said that came to my mind was to get it in pre flop.
but how many hands do you get that your willing to do that on ?

But if he misses and aggression is shown by other player does he back down?

Remember, the fact that you miss most flops means that he misses as many flops. If he backs down here then you can rely on out-aggressive-ing him on a good few hands. If he doesn't then he is relying on pot luck.

Both hand examples you have shown he has either had a big hand or flopped a big hand. I think you know as well as I the hand values and likelyhood of it being better than his pre/posts flop, so I won't even go there. Meet aggression with aggression while you still can else you will be an irrelevant short stack that cannot hurt him much. I think in this situation you have to be willing to bust. This doesn't mean that you ignore common sense while doing this, but he cannot have a hand every time.

Gholimoli

Bp! wrote:

Howya Ghomoli

From playin with you quite a bit lately I can imagine you were probably frustrated that it wasnt you being the aggresive player and in your mind took it personally ? ? You probably felt you *had* to play back at this player at some stage?

I could be totally wrong though i imagine you did


What about all the other players at the table? Their chips have to go somewhere to , so if he passes up a hand you can play against them. Unless you have a big hand you really shouldnt tango with this hyper aggresive player as he can call your all in with a very marginal hand even for the simple advertising that hes not afraid to take players on with below par hands, and throwin you to the rail at the same time :mad:

i took the strategy suggested here and not get involved with him.
in the mean time when he did pass any hand i didnt have a hand to play at all.
eventually i went down to 20K with blinds 1600/3200.
i was on the BB with AT.
he min raised again and it was folded to me and i pushed and he called with AJ.
i was out in 11th place.
the guy went on to get second.
this was a big enough field tourney with very though filed.
i played well to get to the last 18 or so and got there in good shape.
when i moved to this table is when it all went wrong.
i played passive not cuz its my style but cuz i was forced to it.
then i got thinking well if i had taken a chance with a marginal hand when i had a big enough stack ,the worse could happen was that i would go out.going out in 18th was paid the same as going out in 11th ,feck all.
i know being aggro is the key but i didnt know just how far u can take it.

Bp!

I do see what yor saying and his image is very well built up here. At this stage of a tournament i belive min raises are effective for the reason you said, he is tellin people at the table he is willin and ready to play a hand..who wants to take him on?

Sayin that, it seems you are in an unlucky situation where you seem to have one dominating chip leader and no else whose able to apply pressure back on him, or seems to be doin so anyway? I would be hopin that one of the other big stacks gives him some damage and weakens him as he seems to be runnin over the table. As for you being able to defend against him...you cant, unless something happens to is stack. Its just the way it goes, big stack applyin pressure until someone finally cracks, Your only hope is to try get yourself in a postion where you have enough chips for you to be a threat to him.

Try gather chips elsewhere and in time hopefully you too can be bullyin the table (as usual )

I feel playin against him without a premium hand (AA/KK) is unnessary and too dangerous for a high pay out tournament. a 60/40 shot isnt enough vs this player IMO

Bp!

Gholimoli wrote:

eventually i went down to 20K with blinds 1600/3200.

i was on the BB with AT.
he min raised again and it was folded to me and i pushed and he called with AJ.
i was out in 11th place.

UL you had to take your stance there..no choice, those blinds were too high to pass this chance up

wp;)

Gholimoli

5starpool wrote:

But if he misses and aggression is shown by other player does he back down?

Remember, the fact that you miss most flops means that he misses as many flops. If he backs down here then you can rely on out-aggressive-ing him on a good few hands. If he doesn't then he is relying on pot luck.

Both hand examples you have shown he has either had a big hand or flopped a big hand. I think you know as well as I the hand values and likelyhood of it being better than his pre/posts flop, so I won't even go there. Meet aggression with aggression while you still can else you will be an irrelevant short stack that cannot hurt him much. I think in this situation you have to be willing to bust. This doesn't mean that you ignore common sense while doing this, but he cannot have a hand every time.

see he dosent back down.
he keeps betting with anything at all.
but when you wanna get involved with him ,and he has shown that he will play anything and he will play them fast and hard then you will not continue unless you hit and thats what he counts on.
his stack in always up and down.
this is how he doubled me up from 20 to 40.
i raise with AhKs
he calls.
flop : Qs 2s Th
i bet
he calls

turn : 9s
i check
he bets
i call.

river: 6s
i check
he goes all in.
i think and think and call
he has 2h 5h
i double up but he was ahead of me all the way and even at the end i thought he may have As.
do you see how hard he makes it for you to play against him post flop.

Gholimoli

ianmc38 wrote:

Pushing preflop also exploits all the first 3 points above as dumb a move as it is.

You say he's calling raises with any 2. How does he react to a push after he raises?

By folding to him every time you are letting him dominate you. You can afford to call and raise with weaker holdings as you know his range is pretty wide. Are you also afraid that he can outplay you on all 3 streets as well as preflop?

if you reraise he will call you .
if you push he will fold his bad hands and obviously call with the good hands.
the fact is
what hand rrange are you willing to reraise him with knowing he will more than liekly call and how often are you gonna get a hand with in that range?
i pushed a few times preflop and he folded but every time i was ****ing it .

Bp!

You have got to let hiim keep steam rollin the table while your stack is low, only when you are a threat to him can you think along any lines of playin against him with anything less than preimium hands

He sounds like a dangerous player who is on or hitting rushes and playin his stack well . Its unusual for one player to have such control of a table so passively , its just unfortunate your chips stack dictates theres not much *you* could do about it either

Try not let him or his play get under your skin. Let him do what he wants and you do what you need to do to win or finish high in the tournament.

ianmc38

Gholimoli wrote:

if you reraise he will call you .
if you push he will fold his bad hands and obviously call with the good hands.
the fact is
what hand rrange are you willing to reraise him with knowing he will more than liekly call and how often are you gonna get a hand with in that range?
i pushed a few times preflop and he folded but every time i was ****ing it .

I think we have to reduce our pushing range much lower than normal against this villain.

As for BPs not taking a 60-40 against this guy, i think that is fundamentally wrong. How often will we have a bigger edge than 60-40 against this guy and how often will we have to wait for such a monster hand?

These tourneys we're only aiming for 1st-3rd so turning down a 60-40 is just unfathomable.

5starpool

Bp! wrote:

You have got to let hiim keep steam rollin the table while your stack is low, only when you are a threat to him can you think along any lines of playin against him with anything less than preimium hands

He sounds like a dangerous player who is on or hitting rushes and playin his stack well . Its unusual for one player to have such control of a table so passively , its just unfortunate your chips stack dictates theres not much *you* could do about it either

Try not let him or his play get under your skin. Let him do what he wants and you do what you need to do to win or finish high in the tournament.

I disagree with this. How are you going to acquire a stack that can be dangerous if you don't tangle with him? If he is in every pot then it is it hard to avoid him. I also disagree that anyone who is yo-yoing so much is playing well..

Daithio

Gholimoli wrote:

ok its bubble time in a very well paid tourney.
say there about 15 or so left.
your stack is avarage or maybe just above avarage but not too deep.
there are couple of player on your table that have more than you ,a couple have same size and a few have less.
one of the big stacks who has also has position on you is rasing every hand.
he is playing the bubble extreamly well .
open raising every hand and firing on all most all streets.
capable of having any two cards at all.
will also call your raise with anything at all.
will get involved in most raised pots and will buy the pot with big bets.
his stack is gone from 70K to 17K back to 50K back to 30K up to 80K etc.
on the other hand your not getting any hand and your stack is shrinking.
the blinds are eating you up and the field is not getting any shorter.
this one guy is litterly starving you.
what is the correct way of dealing with this situation?

I don't think waiting for a hand in this situation is a good idea. The antes and blinds will be big and you'll get anted away. Wait for a hand that you think will more than likely be ahead ie KQ/ AT/ any pp etc and put in a resteal. If you don't have enough to make him fold then I think open pushing with any two when folded around to you in late position is a good idea. He is outplaying players post flop so you want to put him to a decision for all your chips preflop. If he calls there's a very good chance you're ahead, and if not you can always get lucky.

cardshark202

As has been said, pick a spot and push. Re-raise him whenever you have position and you feel he's weak. If he's the only one playing poker and you think he can outplay you post flop, there is only one answer and that is to start fighting back preflop. Open-raise before he gets a chance, limp-raise him, etc..

Btw he sounds like a card-catching, flop-hitting, calling station to me.

Gholimoli

his nick name is Ozzy 87 on starts.
i ws told he was third in WPT some yeah so im sure he knows what his doing.

Bp!

ianmc38 wrote:

As for BPs not taking a 60-40 against this guy, i think that is fundamentally wrong. How often will we have a bigger edge than 60-40 against this guy and how often will we have to wait for such a monster hand?

5starpool wrote:

I disagree with this. How are you going to acquire a stack that can be dangerous if you don't tangle with him? If he is in every pot then it is it hard to avoid him. I also disagree that anyone who is yo-yoing so much is playing well..

Points taken , and ok maybe given up a 60/40 edge is pushin things too far but my main goal would be to minimise my play against this player where possible without the goods. He cant be involved in every hand, once the bubble burst he cant dictate as much so he will have to tighten up his play and introuduce himself to the fold button more frequently.

Now we have a chance to open up our play and play the other 7 players at the table. When were forced to play him more (hopefully when we're down to final 3 etc) then we take it from there.

Gholimoli

Bp! wrote:

Points taken , and ok maybe given up a 60/40 edge is pushin things too far but my main goal would be to minimise my play against this player where possible without the goods. He cant be involved in every hand, once the bubble burst he cant dictate as much so he will have to tighten up his play and introuduce himself to the fold button more frequently.

Now we have a chance to open up our play and play the other 7 players at the table. When were forced to play him more (hopefully when we're down to final 3 etc) then we take it from there.

what if u never make it out of the bubble.
also whats the point if just surviving the bubble and having no stack at all to have any real shot at winning it.
the reason why he succeeded i think is because too many ppl just wanted to last the bubble and get in the money.

The C Kid

Gholimoli wrote:

his nick name is Ozzy 87 on starts.
i ws told he was third in WPT some yeah so im sure he knows what his doing.

Lol, just a bit.

He's only just turned 18 but is already a great player. Plays alot of cash too, think he had a big cash recently for around 250k in one of the big Pokeroom online event.

He final-tabled the Pokerstars Caribbean Adventure despite not being old enough to play in casinos in the States.

connie147

Gholimoli wrote:

BP i am aggro player but this fact didnt bother me that why im not the one doing it.
just one hand with AQ against hhowever the fact that when we were 18 left i had 40K(thanks to this dude for doubling me up) and when we were 15 left i was down to 25K (playing im which i had to drop after missing on the turn) did bother me.
the fact is he dosent really drop a hand and thats the hole point.
he open min riases almost all pots ,what he is saying is basically asking if any one wants to play with him.
most times every one folds.
early postion players fold even though they have have a semi hand but are scared of later position players waking up with a hand.
larte position players simply fold cuz they have no hand.
every now and then you get a caller.
then he fires again on the flop to see where his at.
most ppl fold here if they miss which they often will.
if just gets a call then he knows the other person has a hand and he backs off.
do you see how powerful it is?
im trying to figure out how to protect against it.

Goli,If he was getting up your nose that much,did you not feel your A-Q hand was good enough to limp/push over his raise,pre flop ,to be ahead of his normal cards or was that too early in the confrontation.You said you had to give it it up post flop.Im pushing pre flop with them two against a bully like this .

ROONEY_DIVES

Ozzy 87 is Teecoy (90% sure).

Gholimoli

connie147 wrote:

Goli,If he was getting up your nose that much,did you not feel your A-Q hand was good enough to limp/push over his raise,pre flop ,to be ahead of his normal cards or was that too early in the confrontation.You said you had to give it it up post flop.Im pushing pre flop with them two against a bully like this .

the AQ hand came up early when i didnt know that much about him.
i knew he was at it alot but i had a healthy stack at the time and didnt wanna risk it on A high hand.

Gholimoli

The C Kid wrote:

Lol, just a bit.

He's only just turned 18 but is already a great player. Plays alot of cash too, think he had a big cash recently for around 250k in one of the big Pokeroom online event.

He final-tabled the Pokerstars Caribbean Adventure despite not being old enough to play in casinos in the States.

ill i have to say to that then is :
R E S P E C T

The C Kid

ROONEY_DIVES wrote:

Ozzy 87 is Teecoy (90% sure).

Did the "Teecoy" account get shut down as they found he was underage?

ianmc38

ROONEY_DIVES wrote:

Ozzy 87 is Teecoy (90% sure).

Well if that is true then I know from reading 2+2 that this guy is rated as one of the best MTTers in the world.

The C Kid

Teecoy went on one of the hottest runs ever which is why is he is semi-famous in internet poker terms.

I didn't think its Ozzy87 though, althought you are probably better qualified to answer Rooney. Think Teecoy was some kid from Maryland, although it was also long rumoured to be Tom McEvoy. Anyway he obviously has a new account now or is busto

Waylander

I think limp - push a couple of times with decent to good hands and he will start being a bit more wary of you. You should be looking at him as a fairly easy way to double your stack if you hit good cards. I've come across players like that a few times, sometimes the good hand does not come and you have to make a stand, but more often then not, if you can afford to be patient, you will be rewarded. You were just unlucky that he had the AJ when you got a hand worth playing.

Lazare

There's a bit about ozzy 87 in Bluff magazine (page 22), he was previously known as bigslick789

Goodluck2me

ozzy 87 has made 25K playing STTs on Pokerstars. and big slick made a further 7,8K. obv a good player. as for teecoy he has lst 3K playing.... good player ozzy by all accounts. sounds liek he player fT very well, and wouldnt have got there without seriosuly bruised eyes from the deck hitting him or most likely he played some damn good poker. isnt poker all about asking the questions and seeign if they can answer?? maybe luck but poker is after all a game of skill and not luck:D

RoundTower

goodluck2me wrote:

ozzy 87 has made 25K playing STTs on Pokerstars. and big slick made a further 7,8K. obv a good player. as for teecoy he has lst 3K playing.... good player ozzy by all accounts. sounds liek he player fT very well, and wouldnt have got there without seriosuly bruised eyes from the deck hitting him or most likely he played some damn good poker. isnt poker all about asking the questions and seeign if they can answer?? maybe luck but poker is after all a game of skill and not luck:D

25k doesn't sound like a lot for a top STT player, should it be 250k?

ROONEY_DIVES

CORRECTION - bigslick789 is in fact Ozzy87, i must have been on hallucinagenic drugs ..... apparently teecoy is djk123 but thats unconfirmed. Bigslick789 7th on tlb 2005 and pretty much ripped up the cash ring! Anyway im back off to those hallucinagenics