Dirty Poker and Peeker

captainkeg

Read this book over the weekend ,can't remember the authors name, some casino cheating expert. Basically about all the various types of cheating that goes on in poker Cash games,online, tournaments. Maybe I'm a bit naive but i was quite shocked at the extent of collusion, chip dumping he claims goes on at major tournaments such as the WSOP although it makes perfect sense considering the amount of money at stake.
Also a chapter in the book about Peeker, a programme costing upwards of $30000 which allows a player to play online poker while viewing all his opponents hole cards. Anyone else read about this?

sendic

captainkeg wrote:

Also a chapter in the book about Peeker, a programme costing upwards of $30000 which allows a player to play online poker while viewing all his opponents hole cards. Anyone else read about this?

I'll sell it to you for $10k. cash only. :cool:

kincsem

captainkeg wrote:

Read this book over the weekend ,can't remember the authors name, some casino cheating expert. Basically about all the various types of cheating that goes on in poker Cash games,online, tournaments. Maybe I'm a bit naive but i was quite shocked at the extent of collusion, chip dumping he claims goes on at major tournaments such as the WSOP although it makes perfect sense considering the amount of money at stake.
Also a chapter in the book about Peeker, a programme costing upwards of $30000 which allows a player to play online poker while viewing all his opponents hole cards. Anyone else read about this?

You need to firm up the facts. Congratulations on reading a book in a weekend. That's fast.

If you buy a copy of that Peeker program for $30,000 let us know if it was any good.

By the way, I heard there was a great pyramid scheme going in Cork recently. Did you hear about it? A lot of people made a lot of money. It's true. It is.

captainkeg

I think ye are the bigger fools if ye think there is no probability that a program like that could exist. There is a massive incentive for people to cheat at online poker ,and where there is a will ther is a way. People who deny the existence of cheating in poker ,online and off, remind me of the people who to this day still insist michelle smith won her olympic medals through nothing but hard graft. wake up

Lafortezza

captainkeg wrote:

I think ye are the bigger fools if ye think there is no probability that a program like that could exist. There is a massive incentive for people to cheat at online poker ,and where there is a will ther is a way. People who deny the existence of cheating in poker ,online and off, remind me of the people who to this day still insist michelle smith won her olympic medals through nothing but hard graft. wake up

There was a big discussion on 2+2 about these supposed programmes that let you see opponents cards. I couldn't be arsed finding it as the conclusion was that it's a big pile of horse****.
If you had such a programme would you sell it for a few thousand $$ and risk being found out or would you take the $50/$100 NL on UB for every cent?

This thread could become a discussion about online cheating but it hasn't got off to a good start.

captainkeg

lafortezza wrote:

There was a big discussion on 2+2 about these supposed programmes that let you see opponents cards. I couldn't be arsed finding it as the conclusion was that it's a big pile of horse****.
If you had such a programme would you sell it for a few thousand $$ and risk being found out or would you take the $50/$100 NL on UB for every cent?

This thread could become a discussion about online cheating but it hasn't got off to a good start.

I only mentioned that programm as it was mentioned in the book although it was the most sensational claim. The rest of the book seemed quite reasonable ,talking about collusion , whipsawing, card marking, chip dumping in tournaments , card mechanics etc.
The book mentioned that the program cost $30000 but that was only to a very select group.ie they are pretty much keeping it to themselves. I'd appreciate some genuine replies to this thread pleas.

Lafortezza

captainkeg wrote:

I only mentioned that programm as it was mentioned in the book although it was the most sensational claim. The rest of the book seemed quite reasonable ,talking about collusion , whipsawing, card marking, chip dumping in tournaments , card mechanics etc.

All of the above happen. I doubt they are as widespread as you seem to think as every respectable casino and every online site that values its reputation and player loyalty has a myriad of checks and cameras and procedures to clamp down on any dodgy play.

The book mentioned that the program cost $30000 but that was only to a very select group.ie they are pretty much keeping it to themselves. I'd appreciate some genuine replies to this thread pleas.

I believe 30+ internet pros' and IT professionals' opinions on a respected site like 2+2 than some poster with 20 posts who got it from some bloke "wot wrote a book i read".

Ste05

here's a 2+2 thread on it I also remember a while back reading something on RGP about it. I think basically it's crap because you need access to all your opponents desktops and that's pretty tricky..:rolleyes:

The C Kid

The "Peeker" software has recently come available in smaller, compact handheld computers.

Its a well-known fact among the shady poker underworld that Greg "The Fossilman" Raymer used this system when winning the World Series. Greg's special "fossilman" glasses allowed him to see through his opponents cards and knew exactly what they had. As well as allowing him to see what cards would appear from the deck next.

*Some parts of above may be false, and only originated from Russ Georgiev's mind,

azzeretti

Ste05 wrote:

here's a 2+2 thread on it I also remember a while back reading something on RGP about it. I think basically it's crap because you need access to all your opponents desktops and that's pretty tricky..:rolleyes:

Yes, and then intercept the communication to the server (does anyone know if this is sent in plaintext or encrypted?) It would easier to comprimes the server the clients are connected to, but in fairness, if people could do this handy enough, they could put their talents to more profitable endeavours

It could be possible to form a "medium ring" and try and collectivley read all the other players thoughts, essentially reading their minds. I tried this once in the fitz but Luke wasn't too keen on my loud humming and my "Mantis Pose" was interfering with the dealers view.
"Huuuuummmmmmmm, hummmmmmmm"

Glowingmind

Forget your programs, or your radioactive, invisible card markers for thousands. For 2000 i'll sort you out with some of these:


They work for online play too!!

ArmaniJeanss

captainkeg wrote:

I think ye are the bigger fools if ye think there is no probability that a program like that could exist. There is a massive incentive for people to cheat at online poker ,and where there is a will ther is a way. People who deny the existence of cheating in poker ,online and off, remind me of the people who to this day still insist michelle smith won her olympic medals through nothing but hard graft. wake up

A quick thought.
It would be fairly obvious after a while if a player had access to such software.
I consider myself a goodish player at my low standard, but at a guess my 'percentage ahead at showdown' is probably 55-65%. Using this software I could reaonably expect 100%, the money never goes in unless I am ahead.
People would soon spot PlayerX as never being behind at showdown (unless he was disciplined enough to use the 'cheat' sparingly).

As for your point about people who deny the existence of on&offline cheating - I'd doubt ANYONE here would deny the existence of cheating. there have been dozens of threads about collusion, chip-dumping online etc, and Rory had a 'live poker' thread about cheating about 2 weeks ago.
A quick search would doubtless reveal more.

fixer

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ocallagh

It would be possible to write such a program, but not for distribution to individuals. The program would be a hack of sorts. It could be done one of two ways.

1) You could hack into all the other clients on the network (not possible)..
2) You could intercept the packets of data sent to and from the gaming servers. This would be a once off attack... and would involve the co-ordination of a lot of people. This would worry me. To say this is not possible is ridiculous. And it is likely a group of individuals (programmers) would seek investors to pursue this.

Doc Farrell

fixer wrote:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0312360681/
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0486285979/
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1568582994/
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0805074066/

Off topic, but just to lighten the mood, I actually own the 2nd and 3rd of these.

A pal of mine can do these tricks. fortunately he's a terrible poker player!

I've also ordered this one.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1557091102/sr=8-1/qid=1144712191/ref=sr_1_1/002-2080826-5004001?%5Fencoding=UTF8

which I'm very excited about. yes, I am that boring. But my collection of unusual gambling and card books numbers about 30 now. which is nice.

MrPillowTalk

I do believe that cheating goes on however I dont believe its very widespread, I dont believe in the peeker program allthough I am sure it is possible to do, but why would you sell for 30,000 something that will make the purchaser millions? why would you sell it at all.

I think collusion and team play is probably more evident in the limit games as in no limit it is harder and higher variance to run a team game.

As regards tourneys chip dumping etc defo goes on, and we know because of the jjprodigy and zeejustin thing that playin multiple accounts is widespread, but this sort of stuff is just part of online poker and is considered nearly acceptable up untill very recently. It is a part of online poker the same way abusing dissconnect protects to avoid hard decisions is a part of it.

I know very little about computer software but if hackers can break into bank systems Imsure navigating the ins and outs of poker clients are well achieveable.