Octo Lnb!!!!

lpool2k05

I have sky multiroom(Sky+ in one room,standard sky box in another room,and another standard sky box in a 3rd room) and I was wondering is it possible to get sky+ in 3 rooms?

I understand we would need an octo lnb for this!If we had an octo lnb and 3 sky+ boxes would Sky oppose this?

Many thanx!!

Heinz

What do you mean 'oppose'?

What's it got to do with Sky?

You pay them the subscription money and they'll keep taking it- that's what they do.

Mossy Monk

if you could get a satellite signal from a piece of tin foil Sky wouldnt care if you used it. but they have an octo lnb on the way out themselves so no, they wouldnt oppose it

lpool2k05

sky wrote the following response to my query!!!
Although people from a different forum claim to have purchased one without HD so why cant we get it.

http://forum.digitalspy.co.uk/board/showthread.php?t=373817


Dear xxxxxxxx

Thank you for your email concerning the amount of Sky digiboxes you can have.



I can confirm that if you have your main digibox as a Sky+ system you are able to have either 2 normal Sky digiboxes or an additional Sky+ box.



If your main digibox is a normal Sky digibox you are able to have up to 3 additional Sky digiboxes.



l can also advise that you are unable to purchase an Octo LNB, these are only installed as part of Sky HD installation if install requires more than 4 feeds from your dish.



Should you require further assistance please do not hesitate to contact us at the above email address.



Kind regards

Gillian Timmins
Customer Administration

Heinz

They don't get any better with their stupid replies do they?

To say 'you are unable to purchase ...' just means they won't supply/sell you one for a non-HD installation (more fool them).

Of course they are available and you can either install it yourself or get it installed by an independent contractor. It may mean a change to a standard dish though.

jamesnp

Heinz wrote:

They don't get any better with their stupid replies do they?

To say 'you are unable to purchase ...' just means they won't supply/sell you one for a non-HD installation (more fool them).

Of course they are available and you can either install it yourself or get it installed by an independent contractor. It may mean a change to a standard dish though.

haha, you can do whatever the hell you want. Don't worry about Sky. They'll only get uppity if you clone cards or stuff to realize your goal. I assume you'll also have to pay a sky+ subscription for each box.

-jp

jasgrif11

Does anyone here have the Octo installed? What size dish is best? I'm building a new house and would like to add in my 4 sky FTA boxes + maybe get sky HD.

Sponge Bob

buy one on ebay or here http://www.hm-sat-shop.de/lnbs-lnb-okta/?PHPSESSID=ea6634fc847990dfaaea7fa446312608

I recommend a normal sized dish ....for where you are that is .

Zaphod

If you already have a quad LNBF, then an alternative to buying an octo LNBF is to get a Vantage multiswitch. Will work with the quad and provide 8 outputs, for the same or cheaper price. No need to bring extra cabling from the LNBF either. You can also get models for 8+ outputs.

http://www.vantage-digital.com/eng/details/5-8.html
http://www.satport24.de/product_info.php?cPath=13_43&products_id=100

beolight

how does that work with existing quad lnb Zaphod?

all the links were in german

Zaphod

A multiswitch is more or less a smart, amplified splitter which takes in the 4 possible configs of an lnbf (lo v, lo h, hi v, hi h) and outputs them to each of the 8 receivers as required.

The Vantage has additional controls which 'converts' the quad lnbf (4x universal) to a quattro (4x fixed) for distribution purposes.

lpool2k05

Zaphod wrote:

A multiswitch is more or less a smart, amplified splitter which takes in the 4 possible configs of an lnbf (lo v, lo h, hi v, hi h) and outputs them to each of the 8 receivers as required.

The Vantage has additional controls which 'converts' the quad lnbf (4x universal) to a quattro (4x fixed) for distribution purposes.

So you wouldnt need to change from a quad lnb to a quattro??this will work with a minidish??to recieve up to 8 outputs??Thanx for the info!!

Zaphod

The Vantage multiswitch will work with a quad to provide 8 outputs. There is a loss of signal (insertion loss) associated with them, but if your signal is strong enough already (e.g. no blocking or artefacts during rain) then it should be fine. You will find a similar loss with an octo LNBF setup.

Ideally, if your cables from the quad are coming into the attic and there is an existing electrical socket, then you can put you multiswitch there and distribute a cable to each of the receivers from the attic.

byte

Some multiswitches have gain to make up for the signal loss. Though, not all can work with quad LNB's afaik.

lpool2k05

Zaphod wrote:

The Vantage multiswitch will work with a quad to provide 8 outputs. There is a loss of signal (insertion loss) associated with them, but if your signal is strong enough already (e.g. no blocking or artefacts during rain) then it should be fine. You will find a similar loss with an octo LNBF setup.

Ideally, if your cables from the quad are coming into the attic and there is an existing electrical socket, then you can put you multiswitch there and distribute a cable to each of the receivers from the attic.

Thanx for all the information!!you are so helpful!!if you have to use 6 outputs from the multiswitch for 3 sky+ boxes do you need 3 different cables which then go to the duplexer(think its called that) which then splits the signal for each sky+ box or do ya need 6 different cables

thanx again

Sponge Bob

you may need a quattro LNB not a quad LNB , check . Otherwise its pretty straightforward. I may even have a spare one lying around

ShaneOC

These look very useful! Just a few questions...

1) Can anyone recommend one that definately works with a quad LNB?

2) From the diagram it looks like the terrestrial signal is also sent down the cable, how do you split the cable at the far end so as to be able to feed the TV and the satellite box?

3) Costs?

watty

www.kathrein.de

Maplin has the TV / Satellite splitters.

With Ch68 in use here, unless a TV/Sat combiner/splitter is very good, it is a bad idea. The TV/Sat combined on one cable is not IMO needed on an ordinary house, but mainly for apartment blocks, Hotels, etc.

Zaphod

lpool2k05 wrote:

Thanx for all the information!!you are so helpful!!if you have to use 6 outputs from the multiswitch for 3 sky+ boxes do you need 3 different cables which then go to the duplexer(think its called that) which then splits the signal for each sky+ box or do ya need 6 different cables

By far the best and the cheapest way is to have 2 cables going to each Sky+, making 6 in total. You would have to do the same for the octo, except that you would have 6 running the entire length from octo to sky boxes.

You can 'duplex' 2 sat signals onto one cable using a stacker/destacker but with a drop in signal quality, hence requiring a bigger dish, and much greater expense. You're talking of nearly €700 for 3 pairs of stacker/detacker units. Not recommended unless you're really, really desperate.
http://www.parabolic.co.uk/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=193

Sponge Bob wrote:

you may need a quattro LNB not a quad LNB , check .

Zaphod wrote:

The Vantage has additional controls which 'converts' the quad lnbf (4x universal) to a quattro (4x fixed) for distribution purposes.

bigpaddy2004

lpool2k05 wrote:

sky wrote the following response to my query!!!
Although people from a different forum claim to have purchased one without HD so why cant we get it.

http://forum.digitalspy.co.uk/board/showthread.php?t=373817


Dear xxxxxxxx

Thank you for your email concerning the amount of Sky digiboxes you can have.



I can confirm that if you have your main digibox as a Sky+ system you are able to have either 2 normal Sky digiboxes or an additional Sky+ box.



If your main digibox is a normal Sky digibox you are able to have up to 3 additional Sky digiboxes.



l can also advise that you are unable to purchase an Octo LNB, these are only installed as part of Sky HD installation if install requires more than 4 feeds from your dish.



Should you require further assistance please do not hesitate to contact us at the above email address.



Kind regards

Gillian Timmins
Customer Administration

Since you last posted the above message Sky's policy has changed
Please read below what they emailed me:
Dear Agent


Good News!

I have just confirmed with SKY that you can now have up 8 feeds on one contract (Octo LNB). This would allow the following combinations:

Up to 8 standard boxes
Up to 4 SKY+ (inc HD) boxes
1 SKY+ and up to 6 standard
2 SKY+ and up to 4 standard
3 SKY+ and up to 2 standard

The price of an Octo LNB is €xx

lpool2k05

bigpaddy2004 wrote:

Since you last posted the above message Sky's policy has changed
Please read below what they emailed me:
Dear Agent


Good News!

I have just confirmed with SKY that you can now have up 8 feeds on one contract (Octo LNB). This would allow the following combinations:

Up to 8 standard boxes
Up to 4 SKY+ (inc HD) boxes
1 SKY+ and up to 6 standard
2 SKY+ and up to 4 standard
3 SKY+ and up to 2 standard

The price of an Octo LNB is €xx

Sky really do piss people off!!why when they introduce new things inform ALL their staff instead of getting different answers!its so ridiculous!!its not just in this situation either!what kinda sales staff do they have!!im goin email again and see their response this time.

THANX FOR THE INFO!!

Sponge Bob

Zaphod wrote:

You would have to do the same for the octo, except that you would have 6 running the entire length from octo to sky boxes.

Thats not me so its not , I always smile in adversity.

How much is that vantage box by the way....the one that pseudo quattros the quad in the input for ya and how complex is the config in your experience Zaphod.

Zaphod

Sponge Bob wrote:

Thats not me so its not , I always smile in adversity.
How much is that vantage box by the way....the one that pseudo quattros the quad in the input for ya

Zaphod wrote:

http://www.satport24.de/product_info.php?cPath=13_43&products_id=100

Sponge Bob wrote:

and how complex is the config in your experience Zaphod.

AFAICS it's just a matter of setting the dials on the inputs to 13v/0KHz,13v/22KHz etc.

Sponge Bob

jaysus , the the price of a quattro and that multiswitch is the same as an octo and less cable required too .

may recable (4 points to 8 for sky+) the house soon and get one of them to play with. save me drilling 4 out thru the wall to the LNB .

thanks, I looks much better there

Zaphod

And before long the attic will look like this!



http://forum.dxtv.de/wbb/thread.php?threadid=3300&threadview=0&hilight=&hilightuser=0&page=1

Sponge Bob

Zaphod wrote:

And before long the attic will look like this!

**** me :eek: . Mrs Sponge would go spastic if I tried that :eek:

Looks to me like the demon spawn of a wideangle 10w to 40e toroidal system distributed to a multi ethnic german apartment block . We are monoglottally inclined in this country ,sniffz>

byte

OMFG! :eek:

I'd shudder to think how long that took to install, never mind how much all that gear cost!! :eek:

Watty, is that your attic by any chance

I see from that German forum, that the guy seems to be a fond user of Dreambox hardware.

bigpaddy2004

byte wrote:

OMFG! :eek:

I'd shudder to think how long that took to install, never mind how much all that gear cost!! :eek:

Watty, is that your attic by any chance

I see from that German forum, that the guy seems to be a fond user of Dreambox hardware.

Done a job something like that back in 2001 in the El Santa Hotel in Celbridge. Distributed Sky bbc, itv, ch4 and all rte's to over 140 Rooms!! The system was 20 times the size of that little punie one!

Zaphod

EMP-Centauri also make multiswitches which will work with Quad LNBFs.

http://www.emp-centauri.cz/products.php?menuId=3&page=143-ap

watty

Er. not my attic. A shelf in the kitchen has 6 sat cables coming in, DOCSIS cable modem for Metro, Sky Digibox, RF distrubution amp, Dlink MIMO wifi router with 4 ethernet ports, Ethernet 10/100 8 port switch and ethernet 10/100 5 port switch and PSU for TV headamp. Also Musli, Cornflakes, Shreddies etc.

beolight

Er. not my attic. A shelf in the kitchen has 6 sat cables coming in, DOCSIS cable modem for Metro, Sky Digibox, RF distrubution amp, Dlink MIMO wifi router with 4 ethernet ports, Ethernet 10/100 8 port switch and ethernet 10/100 5 port switch and PSU for TV headamp. Also Musli, Cornflakes, Shreddies etc.

go on post a picture:p

L1011

bigpaddy2004 wrote:

Done a job something like that back in 2001 in the El Santa Hotel in Celbridge. Distributed Sky bbc, itv, ch4 and all rte's to over 140 Rooms!! The system was 20 times the size of that little punie one!

Setanta surely?

I don't remember that hotel being good enough to have colour tellies let alone Sky

Just out of reference, the Setanta had the CEILING come in on top of a wedding party. I think they went and had the underage disco in the same room under the masonite holding the remains of the ceiling up two or three days later...

http://www.unison.ie/irish_independent/stories.php3?ca=9&si=1054636&issue_id=9862

Sponge Bob

Big Paddys SDS Drill coulda caused that collapse