1916 military parade

darkman2

Are we doing the right thing in commemorating it in this way (with a military parade)?:rolleyes:

oq4v3ht0u76kf2

As someone who will be taking part in the Parade, I think it is an excellent idea. Due to our nation's recent history we very rarely hold public military parades and I think that it is an excellent occassion to hold a Parade for. Look at the 4th of July in America - it is celebrated everywhere, by everyone. Why shouldn't we celebrate our own independence?

darkman2

Bob wrote:

As someone who will be taking part in the Parade, I think it is an excellent idea. Due to our nation's recent history we very rarely hold public military parades and I think that it is an excellent occassion to hold a Parade for. Look at the 4th of July in America - it is celebrated everywhere, by everyone. Why shouldn't we celebrate our own independence?

I agree, It is great to commemorate it. I just think maybe military parades (the likes of which usually the mainstay of far flung communist regimes) might be inappropriate. But maybe im wrong:rolleyes:

super_furry

Possibly. It deserves some sort of rememberance. However, this sudden decision is a snap move from Fianna Fail desperately trying to prove to voters that they're still a 'Republican' party. They're also trying to take the 1916 Rising away from Sinn Fein, who have pretty much claimed it as their own over the last decade.

luckat

What I'd really like for the 100th anniversary would be a gigantic carnival all over the country, so that the celebration came from the people, rather than being top-down.

I'd love lots of floats with kids, drumming, dragons, fancy dress, tractors, singing, music - just general fun and celebration.

And the army and the politicians and all too! They could do fireworks and speeches, everyone else could have fun and be happy.

col o

of course we are.

The Brits celebrated Trafalgar with a naval equivelent.Irelands flagship took part as did a French Naval Vessel.

Like it or not is a part of our heritage.

The Brits are mature enough to recognise this.Hence thheir ambassadors attendence.

As for outraging unionists in the North.So what?

col o

super_furry wrote:

Possibly. It deserves some sort of rememberance. However, this sudden decision is a snap move from Fianna Fail desperately trying to prove to voters that they're still a 'Republican' party. They're also trying to take the 1916 Rising away from Sinn Fein, who have pretty much claimed it as their own over the last decade.

I disagree.Whoever was in Government would have to facilitate it.It just happened to be FFs idea to reintroduce the parade.

darkman2

super_furry wrote:

Possibly. It deserves some sort of rememberance. However, this sudden decision is a snap move from Fianna Fail desperately trying to prove to voters that they're still a 'Republican' party. They're also trying to take the 1916 Rising away from Sinn Fein, who have pretty much claimed it as their own over the last decade.

I agree with that too. Sinn Fein thugs should not have a monopoly on national heritage:mad:

super_furry

Yes, but the only reason the issue ever arose with them was because they saw the grounds that Sinn Fein have been making while playing the Republican card. I think the parade in itself is a good idea, but can't help but be cynical regarding the motivation behind it.

Mr.Nice Guy

Alot of countries celebrate with a military parade. Finland for example celebrated their independence day this year with a military parade (Findependence day? ) so I don't think we should be too bothered about doing likewise.

I think there will be a good turnout. Hopefully it will turn out better than the last parade in the city...

Bam Bam

It's about time Ireland restarted its annual military parade.

KeRbDoG

Bob wrote:

As someone who will be taking part in the Parade, I think it is an excellent idea. Due to our nation's recent history we very rarely hold public military parades and I think that it is an excellent occassion to hold a Parade for. Look at the 4th of July in America - it is celebrated everywhere, by everyone. Why shouldn't we celebrate our own independence?

Wouldn't Irish independence day be something like 6 December (The Irish Free State created by the Treaty came into force on 6 December 1922 by royal proclamation)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anglo-Irish_Treaty

Tom65

If we're celebrating our independance, shouldn't we be celebrating on December 5th - when the Anglo-Irish Treaty was signed, thus ending the War of Independance. Or whatever date the Free State moved into Dublin Castle?

The Easter Rising, militarily, was a failure. The War of Indepedance, militarily, was a success. Surely it's this we should be celebrating?

Bam Bam

It's abour remembering the ultimate sacrifice made by Irish soldiers over the years.

The 1916 rising is seen as the Army's first major engagement.

Font22

glad to see most people support it. my dad is heavily involved in some of its organisation. at first i thought it was a bad idea but having thought about it it would be nice to see the army out and about!
men in uniform=major plus!!

Manic Moran

Nowt much wrong with a military parade. If the modern country was in effect brought about through force of arms, then it seems reasonable that the military might be invited.

NTM

WhiteWashMan

as a neutral country is it right to hold a military parade?

hullaballoo

It's not even a military parade. It's the equivalent to flaming an internet forum; a load of republicans harping back on ancient history in a tirade against the English as our "oppressors" for "800 hundred [sic] years". It's not right to commemorate a coup that nearly cost us our independence, especially one as farcical as the 1916 rising.

woody

Most if not all soldiers on that parade think it is a pain in the bollix and could'nt be bothered as it is merely a political stunt and a waste of military resources to please the poltiical hierarchy and some moronic wannbe armchair republicans.

The days of this country being a republic are gone, we joinined the EU and now is an extension of Eastern Europe with the amount of Slavs here, would dont give a Flying F*ck about our history or the war in the north.

The best thing we can do is remove them, make Ireland Irish, withdraw from the EU and retain our national identity away from the new moronic Roman Empire of the EU....

I was a solider and to be honest wipe my arse with this pomp and glory Bullsh1t

Andy-Pandy

I aint met many Slavs here, mostly Poles and there very nice indeed.Also, how can Ireland not be Irish?

zuma

woody wrote:

The best thing we can do is remove them, make Ireland Irish, withdraw from the EU and retain our national identity away from the new moronic Roman Empire of the EU....

I was a solider and to be honest wipe my arse with this pomp and glory Bullsh1t

A British soldier?

Honestly though....changin the above to:

The best thing we can do is remove them, make Britain British, withdraw from the EU and retain our national identity away from the new moronic Roman Empire of the EU....

and it sounds just like a Tory/Conservative part leaders speech:p !

I know a LOT of Poles and Latvians.....very nice people indeed(women A+++++) and I have no real problem with them being here as they are fellow EU citizens which also grants me the rights to do exactly what they are doing here in Poland/Latvia/Lithuania/Estonia/Czech Rep/Slovak Rep/Slovenia/Hungary/Malta and Cyprus as well as the original 15(incl. Ireland remember).

JaysusMacfeck

You should all have a read of Geoffrey Wheatcroft's article on Guardian.co.uk regarding the 1916 parade. What do you make of his comments? There's also some good discussion at the bottom of the article.

http://politics.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0,,1750159,00.html

Geoffrey Wheatcroft wrote:

"The evil legacy of the Easter Rising".

Last Tuesday, Denis Donaldson was found savagely murdered in County Donegal. Next weekend, the government of the Irish Republic will noisily celebrate the 90th anniversary of the Easter Rising. Perhaps only in Ireland could anyone fail to see the connection between the two.

It was Ireland's misfortune that the greatest European poet of the age should have been Irish and have extolled the rising. WB Yeats wrote of Easter 1916 that 'a terrible beauty is born'

celebrating bloody rebellion against parliamentary democracy (British rule).

In 1966, Dublin marked the 50th anniversary of the rising with an orgy of nationalist bombast.

Most Irish people don't really like this cult of violence and yet they cannot escape the legacy of the rising which has poisoned Irish life.

This guy really doesn't like the Republic!



edit:

This reply is hilarious!!

Eh Geoffrey I think you will find that today is 9 April and not April fools day. Your United Kingdom of Great Britain invaded our country, slaughtered us in the millions, scattered our ancestors to the 4 corners of the earth and forced direct rule on us from London. This is the same paliamentary democracy that oversaw slavery, plundered Africa and India and has blood dripping from its hands for your history in Iraq, Iran, Israel/Palestine etc etc blah blah blah. Geoffrey mate to be really really rude, fúck off.

woody

zuma wrote:

A British soldier?

Honestly though....changin the above to:

and it sounds just like a Tory/Conservative part leaders speech:p !

I know a LOT of Poles and Latvians.....very nice people indeed(women A+++++) and I have no real problem with them being here as they are fellow EU citizens which also grants me the rights to do exactly what they are doing here in Poland/Latvia/Lithuania/Estonia/Czech Rep/Slovak Rep/Slovenia/Hungary/Malta and Cyprus as well as the original 15(incl. Ireland remember).

i was in both,btw in estonia,latvia,poland and lithuania,they have put a ban on foreign workers even from the eu..hypocritical to say the last as half of them are here...

and the term "slav" is for almost all eastern europeans incl..poles it is the old collective term

Morpheus

WhiteWashMan wrote:

as a neutral country is it right to hold a military parade?

To coin a phrase, "were not constitutionally neutral" its not enshrined in our constitution.

Our misunderstood "neutrality" is merely another facet of our military foreign policy of non involvement without the triple lock approval.

By the way? One requirement to be neutral, is to be militarily independent. vis a vis the neutral scandinavian countries, its something were not. We have one of the smallest standing forces in europe and we need the UK to protect our own airspace, we have one of the lowest military expenditures expressed as a percentage of our GDP in comparison to how wealthy our economy is. Why shouldnt our army parade and recieve some welcome publicity. They do enough good work around the world under the blue flag.

Terry

Morph&#233 wrote: »

Why shouldnt our army parade and recieve some welcome publicity. They do enough good work around the world under the blue flag.

indeed.
had some of you actually bothered watching the parade, you would have seen that it wasn't a glorification of a failed rebellion, but rather a celebration of the work done by our armed forces in terms of their peace keeping work around the world. the president lay a wreath to commemorate the deaths of the 84 (i think) Irish soldiers who died on peace keeping missions.
although, the cynic in me also saw it as a day out for the politicians and a way to get their faces on tv.

woody

woody wrote:

Most if not all soldiers on that parade think it is a pain in the bollix and could'nt be bothered as it is merely a political stunt and a waste of military resources to please the poltiical hierarchy and some moronic wannbe armchair republicans.

I heard the opposite. Have four family members in the army and they thought it was great, particularly to commemorate the 80 plus soldiers who have died on duty. You must know the few privates who have no respect for their fallen comrades.