Decent principles for RBSD.

Baggio...

http://charles-nelson-defense.com/principles.html

10 decent principles of RBSD, let me know what you think.
(sorry 9:) )

Cheers,

B.

Musashi

I always liked Nelsons stuff, that instructor and his progressions leave a lot to be desired though!
I'd like to see SouthNarc run through this stuff!

padraigcarroll

Baggio... wrote:

[BWhen confronting the enemy an effective strategy is to yield or pretend to yield[/COLOR][/SIZE][/B]

emmm what the hell?!

padraigcarroll

Confront: To come face to face with, especially with defiance or hostility: I wish to confront my accuser in a court of



Yield: To give up, as in defeat; surrender or submit



.........Contradiction: Inconsistency; discrepancy!!!!!!!!







confront by yielding eh?!

Millionaire

10 Principles of

The Charles Nelson Self-Defense System



· When confronting the enemy an effective strategy is to yield or pretend to yield.
· Never put a hold on someone without striking first.
· When practical never leave your enemy standing.
· Never turn your back on your enemy.
· A small force can usually deflect a greater force.
· Always strike your opponent in a vital area when attacked.
· Self-defense is not a sport, your life is a prize not a tin cup.
· If confronted in the street always assume the worst and act accordingly.
· Train in your street clothes as that is what you will be fighting in.
· Never go to the ground when fighting.

Yes very sound principles for SD situations.
On thing I see from his web site, is that he is into
putting holds on people. and alot of KM moves
end that way too. That is one thing I do not agree with
is putting holds on people (even after hitting them) (unless you
are a cop arresting someone) , I would rather whack the attacker
until he is down, and then escape, or if I did attempt a hold, it
totally ties me up to defend against the attackers buddies. and
lastly things move to fast on the street, I am not sure if these holds
even work( plus they are difficult to learn, when compared to a plam shot).
Ok they seem to work fine in the gym, but on the street not
so sure????

Millionaire

padraigcarroll wrote:

Confront: To come face to face with, especially with defiance or hostility: I wish to confront my accuser in a court of



Yield: To give up, as in defeat; surrender or submit



.........Contradiction: Inconsistency; discrepancy!!!!!!!!







confront by yielding eh?!

IMO what he means by yield, is something like "No please don't hurt me, I do n't want any trouble" (this lures attack in false sense of security for about 1 second) Then BANG, you whack the attacker. alot of SD people teach this like Geoff Thompson, etc

Baggio...

Hey M,

That's the idea on the whole "yielding thing". I can kind of see why P.C. might of thought it was something else, but for us, it's a pretty standard use of deception or "Artifice".

"Listen mate I don't want any hassle" CRACK! You then hit him pre-emptively.
(assuming you know there is going to be hassle and you can't avoid it)

I'm also not a fan of putting on holds, waste of time in my opinion. As you said - just keep attacking until the threat is negated. But the rest of the concepts are pretty sound, and sums up the combative mindset. Hmm... looking back on it I prolly should have said "9 good principles of RBSD".

Cheers,

Bagg.

PS - After Charle left the USMC, he was teaching SD in New York for FIFTY years! Even at the age of 88, he was still showing Lee Morrison a few moves. That's the way I want to be.

padraigcarroll

Millionaire wrote:

IMO what he means by yield, is something like "No please don't hurt me, I do n't want any trouble" (this lures attack in false sense of security for about 1 second) Then BANG, you whack the attacker. alot of SD people teach this like Geoff Thompson, etc

Ahaaa!

Ok,... cool!
I took a completely different meaning from that for a minute there!!!!

Millionaire

Baggio... wrote:

PS - After Charle left the USMC, he was teaching SD in New York for FIFTY years! Even at the age of 88, he was still showing Lee Morrison a few moves. That's the way I want to be.

God willing I will keep training until the last nail is hammer into my coffin!

There is always something to learn, something to make better etc etc

Baggio...

M,

Aye, or turn into one of those crumbly kung - fu hermits with a big white beard.

(Don't worry - I was kidding about the Kung Fu bit:D )


Bagg.

TapouT

Baggio... wrote:

I'm also not a fan of putting on holds, waste of time in my opinion. .

Yea alot are, but some do work. You just have to find what works for you through experience. I've been doing door work for over 15yrs now and pretty much know what works for me, and what I wouldn't dream of doing in a real life situation. And its this that I always point to when I say that you can not in a million years replicate the type of violence & aggression you'll find on the street in your club.

My favourite in work is the ol' reliable rear naked choke, it works in almost 99% of the time, looks 'clean' to witnesses and more or less takes the fight out of the scumbag 100% of the time.

Baggio...

Hey Tapout,

I can see where you are coming from. Obviously if you are working on the door or as a police officer, etc. that has to be an acceptable option. However for a senseless street attack, I'd personally keep striking until the threat was gone, and then as Mill said make my escape.

Just my take,

Cheers,

B.

dlofnep

Baggio... wrote:

I'm also not a fan of putting on holds, waste of time in my opinion.

I disagree religiously.

Baggio...

Dlofnep,

Amen...

No worries... you use your holds and manipulations, and I'll just strike.
There, now everyone's happy:) .

B.

dlofnep

Fine by me whatever you use.. But considering holds/chokes/locks or whatever a waste of time I'd disagree with.

Baggio...

That's fair enough...

But again I'd just strike, I don't really want to go over the reasons "why" again, as I 've pretty much said what I had to say in that "reality" thread.

Cheers,

B.

dlofnep

That's ok - My opinion is, On average you'll find alot of guys with heavy hands on the street or will outsize you on the street. You won't however find many guys who are competent enough grapplers to escape the simplest of chokes or holds.. I guess it's all preference. If you're a good striker, then go for it.. Make use of it.

Baggio...

True, it's preference as you said, whatever you are good at I guess. I tend to go with striking as it suits my build, and also I have little or no experience with grappling. Just some nasty ground fighting stuff that I picked up from Combatives. Also, I will have that nagging fear, that while you may have him sorted (grappling, manipulation. etc.) he might have a few mates or pull a blade. I guess I'm just too paranoid for my own good:D .

Cheers,

B.