AQ - Fitz Cash Game Hand

Samba

Stack Sizes: Me 550, Villain approx. 280.

I raise Blind to 7 UTG with AQo, Villain UTG+2.

3 people to a flop, flop comes Q23 two clubs I have no club.

I lead out for 15, villain Calls.

Turn is a K I waste little time to bet another 25/30 Can't quite remember.

Villain raises to 100?

From my read on the villain, I think he has a monster his body language suggests this yet Im in doubt looking at his face.

Villain seems like a solid player and has made few mistakes.

What do we do from here?

eoghan104

If you think hes a good tight player its probabley best to lay this one down. If hes as tight as you say he prob wont raise here without being able to beat a queen....... annoying i know but for me its a lay down and wait for a better opportunity.

The_Chopper

I think Villian probably has you beat also.
To me it looks like a K high flush draw and catches the K or KQ and now he's 2 pair. Easy enough fold considering you've only €50 in the pot, and possible drawing to only 2 aces and 2 queens.

Gholimoli

we fold.

fuzzbox

You raise blind, or you raise THE blind?

There is a similar thread on 2+2 about this precise situation.
I like a check on the flop. Maybe check/call.

handsfree

what is your read on the villian? i think that the villian could be on a flush draw and perhaps holds the Qc (not sure if thats a board card) and maybe the king is a scare card for him and he wishes to take the pot down now.

the other possibility is that the villian is on KQ and is worried about you drawing.

on your describtion of the player i think it is probably prudent to let this go as the second option is more likely

Samba

I raised Blind UTG, I do this maybe 3-4 times in an 8 hour session, just to get at the short stacks, it drives them nuts....

Yeah Fuzz, I think I like your check play on the flop here and I considered it but with the flush draw on the board, he might take a sneaky free card and hit, that's the only danger with this play, i've often done it myself and stacked guys.

My read on the villain from his breathing and general body language is that he is strong, pupils however were normal..... which had me very confused, they were contradicting reads....so nothing solid which i can base a solid decision on.

Culchie

Samba wrote:

My read on the villain from his breathing and general body language is that he is strong, pupils however were normal..... which had me very confused, they were contradicting reads....

Tell us more !

Samba

heh, no facial movements, hands were not shaking, seemed confident but then also very curious as to what my move would be.....


After almost 5 minutes thought, I could not form a definite decision, I eventually put him on KQ and decided to respect the raise, if I call im in no mans land come the river if I push i could be throwing dead money into the pot, I just could not figure out how the K helped him, perhaps he caught a bit of the flop with K2/K3, would he call a raise with this?

I folded and showed him my AQ, he flipped over Q5...I didn't even ask to see the river, tapped the table and said good bet......

Which I thought it was, as it turns out this guy did not really have a clue what he was doing, I asked him you didn't believe I had a Q, to which he replied, I don't know what you had really, had no idea..

The villain had pulled a similar move previously when a scare card came on the turn in a pot I was not involved, still half asleep from the previous nights session I had taken little or no notice of this, which was a grave error in hindsight....

To me this is potential profit lost, folding the best hand is not somthing I do often, im used to folding big hands, usually my folds are correct, I was way off on this one....

To me if this hand was to occur 3 times in a week, it's a nice little sum of money im missing out on....

So how do you counteract people pulling plays like this on you? Let them ave it? and just wait for a comfortable situation... AK would have been perfect on this hand

ionapaul

It raises another interesting question - how do you categorise players you have never played against / don't recognise / just moved to your table? As Daithio has mentioned a number of times, the ability to quickly categorise someone from only a few bits of information is a key life skill that is extremely relevant to poker - if a young Scandie with sunglasses and baseball cap and an ipod sits down at my table and raises my BB from the button, I categorise him and maybe make a different decision than if a 'little old lady' sat down and made the same move*.

Online, I categorise unknown players as lacking poker experience when compared to live, and as a result often play a completely different game against online unknowns vs live unknowns. I'm sure everyone, consiously or unconsiously, categorises players in different ways based on only the smallest amounts of information.

*Obviously, any little old lady reading could take huge avantage of this (probably common) categorisation by bluffing outrageously against me! But there ya go

cardshark202

ionapaul wrote:

It raises another interesting question - how do you categorise players you have never played against / don't recognise / just moved to your table? As Daithio has mentioned a number of times, the ability to quickly categorise someone from only a few bits of information is a key life skill that is extremely relevant to poker - if a young Scandie with sunglasses and baseball cap and an ipod sits down at my table and raises my BB from the button, I categorise him and maybe make a different decision than if a 'little old lady' sat down and made the same move*.

Online, I categorise unknown players as lacking poker experience when compared to live, and as a result often play a completely different game against online unknowns vs live unknowns. I'm sure everyone, consiously or unconsiously, categorises players in different ways based on only the smallest amounts of information.

*Obviously, any little old lady reading could take huge avantage of this (probably common) categorisation by bluffing outrageously against me! But there ya go

Unknown player in a fitz cash game ~ muppet until proven otherwise.

Samba

lol.....

The dealer had a look of horror when he saw me throw in my cards, I glanced back at him with an air of question?

To which he replied....you haven't played with this man before have you....no I haven't, he smiled....

He was solid but appears to love pulling moves so that he can throw over his cards and proove to all at the table that he is a player to be respected....

I just wonder if he does this intentionally to get paid off on big hands, I was too busy watching the game to see how a hand panned out with him holding a set of 6's, I think it was different from our hand, which would indicate that he is bluffing simply to show who the man of the table is...there is no purpose to his bluffs..

I do bluff and show, only difference is I have a reason behind doing so...

I thought it was an interesting hand none the less.

fuzzbox

Getting the dealer to inform you about players tendencies is +++++++EV

How do I sign up?

Samba

If you give me 5% of your BR on each account you have Fuzz i'll cut you in on the deal

5starpool

Did this guy have a baseball cap on if this happened last night?

fuzzbox

Samba wrote:

If you give me 5% of your BR on each account you have Fuzz i'll cut you in on the deal

Only costs me $2.5 total ??? Noooo problem

califano

Samba wrote:

I didn't even ask to see the river

Oh please dont tell me this request is a regular occurance in live cash games?.

Samba

I might ask once or twice in a night, you can simply object and the next hand will be dealt, no biggie.

No point in getting upset over spilt milk when your card does come up on the river