isolation play

Gholimoli

ive been wondering if im doing something wrong latley or its just the players getting lucky.
ive failed to isolate with a very good hands lately trying to get as much money as possible and its back firing so im wondering if i need to change something.
basically what im wondering is when to isolate an early raiser when your holding a very strong hand wither on the flop or pre-flop.
how big in relation to your stack does the pot have to be for you to try to protect it by all means and not worry about getting more money ?
to give an example:
UTG limps has 70K
MP players goes all in for 24K
im on the SB with AA with 40K
blinds 2K/4K.
the hand was folded to me and i flat called.
my thinking was if i push UTG will deffo fold.
if i call he may try to go over the top or he may try and see the flop.
should i have isolated here?


another hand:
stacks :
me button 13k
SB:3K
BB:8K
blinds 400/800

its folded to me on the button and i make it 1800 with 55.
SB calls all in and BB calls
pot:5.4k

flop: 5 K 9 rainbow
SB goes all in for another like 1.2K or so and BB calls.
im thinking of raisng here but then again im thinking the flop is safe enough to i just call the bet with the intention of betting the turn(is this very wrong?)

turn: A compeleting the rainbow .
bb checks and i bet 3K.
BB calls.

River: 8
and BB goes all in and i call and he shows 76o for a str.
did i play the hand bad for not protecting it?

ianmc38

case 1. Fine

case 2. When milking goes wrong. You got an extra bet from him when he wa sdrawing to fcuk all outs. Thats what you wanted. Played fine, just unlucky he hit.

MrPillowTalk

I push in both spots but calling is fine in the first one, on the second I far prefer the push

Gholimoli

MrPillowTalk wrote:

I push in both spots but calling is fine in the first one, on the second I far prefer the push

in the second one push because he is not gonna put me on a set and will call with a K?
what if he dosent have a K?
thats basically what im wondering.
where do you draw the line between getting max value and protecting your hand?
i know its horrible and bad play to loose a big pot that your such a fav in by not protecting it and its a much bigger mistake than not getting max value.
but what are the factors the you should base your decision on?
ie number of players,size of the pot,texture of the flope etc?

Bp!

Hey Ghomoli

I know alot of player mix up there play of AA, say 90% rereaise, 10% smooth call a raise prelfop and try extract the money post flop but I always think you should get as much in preflop (without chasing off customers) as possible, so you build a nice side pot as well as the main pot. It gets more in the pot for all those AJ/A10s-small pp EP limpers who really wanna see a flop, so some sort of a reraise here i think. If the EP completly misses the flop, and checks and you bet, he wont put any money in the pot because he'll know you have a hand due to player being all in. So i prefer gettin it in pre and commiting him more.

Hand 2, I probably play similar , he made a terrible call on the turn but ill still pay him off on river as impossible to see straight there with how he played it


EDIT, Sorry i just realised the MP went all in for 24K, ok sorry thats plenty of bettin preflop OOOps

MrPillowTalk

Gholimoli wrote:

in the second one push because he is not gonna put me on a set and will call with a K?
what if he dosent have a K?
thats basically what im wondering.
where do you draw the line between getting max value and protecting your hand?
i know its horrible and bad play to loose a big pot that your such a fav in by not protecting it and its a much bigger mistake than not getting max value.
but what are the factors the you should base your decision on?
ie number of players,size of the pot,texture of the flope etc?

I dont think its horrible, but your letting in a lot of hands that at the moment are drawing weak against you, also tade into account you win this pot here and you are in a really strong position for the tourney. I prefer to push and make him pay than let him get there cheap. The size of the pot and where it will leave you is what makes it a push for me also there are plenty of hands worse than yours that will call an all in.