Impossible

dmck2886

I beleive that it has now become virualy impossible for Irish people to get jobs, due to the fact that employers want people with experience or have good english, iv been speaking english all my life so surly iv good english. The fact is that irish people on min.wage are not happy about what their making and foriegners are over the moon to be making min.wage. Its a very sad to see dis happenin.

Whats your view?

Gurgle

dmck2886 wrote:

iv been speaking english all my life so surly iv good english

All evidence to the contrary.

dmck2886

Gurgle wrote:

All evidence to the contrary.

Smart ass:D

mikemac

Gurgle wrote:

All evidence to the contrary.

Good one!:)

[Jackass]

I presume you're talking about service jobs, shift work, security work etc..."Unskilled" work. (which is a bad word for it if you've ever worked those types of jobs before like I did in my student days...it's a lot more difficult than sitting in an office.)

The reason foreginers are usually employed in these jobs is quite simple. Mainly the fact that they need a visa to stay in the country, so they're not going to up and leave the job like an Irish person would usually do. (Before large amounts of foregin people started working in this country, the turn over of staff in these jobs was phenominal)

Also, if you have a job that you have to keep, you're going to work hard, be on time and be reliable...unlike Irish people, who the job means sh*t and it's usually something they do for a couple of months during the summer or whatever.

So if you were managing a shop or whatever, who would you hire? Someone who stereotypically would do as little work as possible to get by and leave after a short time, or someone who will work their ass off cause the job means something and they need it.

This was explained to me when I used to work in a newsagent in town. I left after a couple of months with only a weeks notice as I was going back to college. I didn't help your cause I'm afraid

TempestSabre

dmck2886 wrote:

I beleive that it has now become virualy impossible for Irish people to get jobs, due to the fact that employers want people with experience or have good english, iv been speaking english all my life so surly iv good english. The fact is that irish people on min.wage are not happy about what their making and foriegners are over the moon to be making min.wage. Its a very sad to see dis happenin.

Whats your view?

Well theres few sides of it. We've been flooded with imigrants not just from the EU and thus theres more competition for all jobs. Because we are in the EU you have to give everyone an equal opportunity for a job. So basically you needed to be better to stand out against more people in the job market. However unemployment is at an all time low so it can't be that hard to find a job. Though personally I think that the quality of jobs is worse, in that job security is worse than ever, and theres a lot of people on low wages, despite the celtic tiger.

The other angle is that the govt duty should be to its own people first. But you'll get no joy with that approach as everyone too busy lining their own pockets. Especially the politican's.

Running Bing

Although an influx of foreign immigrants generally benefits the country as a whole it tends to make lower income households worseoff as the immigrants provide such an abundant supply of unskilled labour so naturally there is going to be more competition for those jobs.

dmck2886 wrote:

I beleive that it has now become virualy impossible for Irish people to get jobs, due to the fact that employers want people with experience or have good english, iv been speaking english all my life so surly iv good english.

I dont understand what your saying? Its hardly "virtually impossible" for Irish people to get a job! Then you say due too the fact employers want people who have good English? Am I missing something here?

dmck2886 wrote:

The fact is that irish people on min.wage are not happy about what their making and foriegners are over the moon to be making min.wage. Its a very sad to see dis happenin.

Whats your view?

Why is it sad? If foreigners value the job more than Irish people then its right they should get it. Are you suggesting a higher minimum wage (because it is already high enough!) or are you making the point its sad to see Irish people unsatisfied with what they get? Please elaborate.

deadfingers

A little bit off the point but does EU citzens need any form off visa to work in another EU country. For example could some guy in Poland just pack up his suitcase and catch the next flight to Ireland and start work here tomorrow? Just the same as I could start working in London in the morning?

oli_ro

Pretty much.

They do need to register to get a PPS number, but that's a formality.

The subjects is quite complex and I have a biased point of view(since I am an immigrant - non-EU, though), but I think that at the end of day it's the employers who benefit most from this arrangement.
If if in the past multinationals had problems filling positions, now it's pretty much a buyer's market in the high skilled sector for example.
They get hundreds of CVs(a good portion from eastern europe), and they can pay compettive(from their point of view) sallaries, and they can afford also to be very picky.

While this adds to Ireland's competiveness and can persuade bug companies to keep the bases here, because they have access to the whole european candidate pool(in Germany for instance new EU people still need WP), it does not feel nice if you're local because it is much harder to get a good job.

Gurgle

oli_ro wrote:

can persuade bug companies to keep the bases here

WHAT?

They're actually manufacturing bugs here now?

DOLEMAN

Gurgle wrote:

They're actually manufacturing bugs here now?

Yup, Microsofts EMEA Software Testers are located in Sandyford...

oli_ro

Gurgle wrote:

WHAT?

They're actually manufacturing bugs here now?

You are so intellingent: that's the only relevant thing you feel like adding to the discussion ?
Smart a$$

In my defence at least I am not claiming that I have good english.

Gurgle

oli_ro wrote:

In my defence at least I am not claiming that I have good english.

I apologise, your english is excellent, and a whole lot better than people who say 'iv been speaking english all my life so surly iv good english'.

Alun

Gurgle wrote:

I apologise, you're english is excellent, and a whole lot better than people who say 'iv been speaking english all my life so surly iv good english'.

Sorry, I couldn't resist

Cantab.

dmck2886 wrote:

I beleive that it has now become virualy impossible for Irish people to get jobs, due to the fact that employers want people with experience or have good english, iv been speaking english all my life so surly iv good english. The fact is that irish people on min.wage are not happy about what their making and foriegners are over the moon to be making min.wage. Its a very sad to see dis happenin.

Whats your view?

Absolute rubbish. Any Irish person who wants to get a job in this country can get one. You should get up off your ass and go out and find a job: there are loads of them. If you feel a job is 'below' you, why don't you avail of the vast number of free FAS courses, diploma courses and degrees. Work part-time whilst educating yourself to improve your status.

You should stop moaning and count yourself lucky. Back in the 1980s banks wouldn't give you a loan, interest rates were 20% and a packet of biscuits after your dinner was seen as a luxury. Nowadays young people want to wear designer clothes, max out their credit cards, drive supped up cars, live in swanky apartments, watch flat-screen TV, eat in sushi bars, etc. - this life is a life of luxury. The cost of living is tiny when you omit all these luxuries.

Of course it's all relative and people can't stand the sight of their friends getting rich. Jump on the train or you'll get left further behind. Using the auld 'the immigrants are taking all the jobs' excuse just doesn't stand up I'm afraid: Go out and get a job.

Gurgle

Alun wrote:

Sorry, I couldn't resist

lol & edited

Yv

Cantab. wrote:

Absolute rubbish. Any Irish person who wants to get a job in this country can get one. You should get up off your ass and go out and find a job: there are loads of them. If you feel a job is 'below' you, why don't you avail of the vast number of free FAS courses, diploma courses and degrees. Work part-time whilst educating yourself to improve your status.

That's a bit harsh, isn't it? I'm an Irish student, with a little bit of work experience, a very good Leaving Cert and a FETAC award under my belt. I've been applying all over the place for the last 2 months at least with no joy at all - the only places that called for interview were Dunnes and Four Star Pizza, and neither called me back afterwards. It's not that the Irish are all high-and-mighty about jobs, though I do acknowledge that generally speaking foreign workers seem to be more "dedicated" than the Irish. It's that, even when someone in my position is applying willy-nilly for everything going, the employers will always go with the applicants who are older and more experienced, and who are therefore mostly foreign (as in the older experienced Irish generally won't be applying for unskilled work, I mean). This distorts the job market, and tilts it against us young job-seekers - I agree with the original poster in that it does seem virtually impossible to get a job as a young Irish person.

Running Bing

Yv wrote:

That's a bit harsh, isn't it? I'm an Irish student, with a little bit of work experience, a very good Leaving Cert and a FETAC award under my belt. I've been applying all over the place for the last 2 months at least with no joy at all - the only places that called for interview were Dunnes and Four Star Pizza, and neither called me back afterwards. It's not that the Irish are all high-and-mighty about jobs, though I do acknowledge that generally speaking foreign workers seem to be more "dedicated" than the Irish. It's that, even when someone in my position is applying willy-nilly for everything going, the employers will always go with the applicants who are older and more experienced, and who are therefore mostly foreign (as in the older experienced Irish generally won't be applying for unskilled work, I mean). This distorts the job market, and tilts it against us young job-seekers - I agree with the original poster in that it does seem virtually impossible to get a job as a young Irish person.

Ok I take your point that you have tried a lot of places to no avail but I do not see how if you really really wanted work you could not get it. You must know someone/family ties that could get you in or at least put in a good word somewhere? Have you tried going around to local pubs and asking if they need help? Have you talked to people within college like career guidance people? Have you gone around town to places like argos/hmv/cinemas etc dropping in Cvs? I just dont see how somebody with those qualifications cannot get a job when I see some of the people with jobs. Did you try ringing dunnes back and asking them? They may not be hiring at the moment and are keeping you on a shortlist. Considering Some of the people I know with jobs in Dunnes stores that must be the case.

Gurgle

Yv wrote:

It's that, even when someone in my position is applying willy-nilly for everything going, the employers will always go with the applicants who are older and more experienced

Theres obviously something about your CV / Cover Letters that screams 'I'm applying willy-nilly for everything thats going'.

This, to any employer is the same as 'I'll take your money until I find something better'.

There is no job in the country where you are of any actual use in your first couple of weeks there. If a potential employer 'feels' that you'll be gone soon, they'll just chuck your application straight in the bin.

Supercell

Afaik McDonalds are always hiring, even in times of 20% unemployment in the 80's they were hiring..sure its not "fashionable" ..but it is a job which will put bread on your table and at least have some dignity about yourself as a working person, not a dole scrounger.
I do not believe for a second there are no jobs for young irish people in these times of full employment - you just have had everything handed on a plate to you so far in life..now join the real world where mumsies platinum card isn't going to buy whatever you want.

Gurgle

Longfield wrote:

you just have had everything handed on a plate to you so far in life..now join the real world where mumsies platinum card isn't going to buy whatever you want.

ffs, what kind of a post is that?
Your first ever paying job is by far the hardest to get.
You have to convince someone you've never met before to hire you. You have no references from previous employers, you've never done anything similar.
As far as the prospective employer knows you've spent the last 5 years stealing cars and mugging old ladies.

Between the ages of 17 and 21 I worked at:
- Lounge staff
- Renovating an old building
- Behind the counter in a petrol station
- Building
- Security guard
- Pizza delivery
- Motorbike courier

The lounge staff job was the hardest I ever found it to get a job. It was also the worst paying, worst conditions. £8 for a 5 hour night with no breaks but it was a job.
Next time I was looking for a job, at least I had a CV, and a name on it they could ring and confirm that they got my float back at the end of the night.

mountainyman

Longfield wrote:

Afaik McDonalds are always hiring, even in times of 20% unemployment in the 80's they were hiring..

That is BvLLSH!iT to be honest. I couldn't get work in McDonald's in the '80s and I am a fvcking hard worker, well spoken etc. By the '90s you could get work there. In 1990 I had 3 rounds of interviews to work in the Rathmines Centra.

MM

TempestSabre

I don't think its that easy to find work either. I don't think its impossible, but its not a walk in the park either. It feels impossible when you are looking. Best advice I can give you is raise your sale pitch of yourself. By improving your CV, doing a course, or doing some volunteer work to get some good references etc.

replytohere2004

Article from the Irish Times 11.03.06

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Gurgle

mountainyman wrote:

That is BvLLSH!iT to be honest. I couldn't get work in McDonald's in the '80s and I am a fvcking hard worker, well spoken etc. By the '90s you could get work there.

In 1994 I couldn't even get an interview with McD.
Though tbh, I think it was obvious that I was only going to be there a matter of weeks if they did hire me.