Finally a no-limit cash game in Dublin

ianmc38

Started tonight in the SE. 1/2, 50min, 250 max buy-in. Gonna be held regularly now.

For some reason I got more action on the PL table though. Plus people were raising to 50 from UTG :eek:

Lol

Marq

Funny.

In the last year the Fitz have spread 3 different NL Hold'em cash games:
1/2 Min €100 Max €500
2/5 Min €100 No Max
1/2 Min €50 Max €100

There was a list for the first one on the board on friday last, with one name on it.

People on these boards always complain that there is no NL cash game offered in dublin. I've worked as a dealer for two years and can tell you for certain that the reason these games don't survive is because they aren't popular with the punters - it's never a been a case that the clubs refuse to spread them.

If you want a NL game in the fitz just stick it up on the board.

PL Hold'em is a far better variation for cash games anyway in my opinion

bohsman

I would prefer a NL game but unfortunately theres no market. I do have a list of 3 or 4 people willing to come in on a Thursday or Friday night but need 4 or 5 more before its worthwile.

Samba

Screw NL...PL is the way forward, having played it over the past month I have developed a love for PL it's a far more skilled game and you generally know where you stand more often than not.

ianmc38

Marq wrote:

In the last year the Fitz have spread 3 different NL Hold'em cash games:
1/2 Min €100 Max €500
2/5 Min €100 No Max
1/2 Min €50 Max €100

There was a list for the first one on the board on friday last, with one name on it.

People on these boards always complain that there is no NL cash game offered in dublin.

I'd never seen one in the Fitz, so I assumed they didnt offer one. NL table was full last night with a waiting list as well.

I like PL but I prefer NL Holdem for sure.

Marq

We'll offer Fvie Card Stud with deuces wild if you get the players for it. It's supply and demand. We supply the demand.

Samba

Mmm, I used to think that each to their own...

You realise that you are going to see some horrible swings in that game,even rancid swings, the huge difference between PL and NL is big hands and pots usually get played out on more streets, hence skill becomes a far bigger aspect of the game, the ability to fold when you know you are behind even when you have a huge hand for me is far easier in PL than in NL as generally on a flop there will be less chips in the pot.

Yes there are times when I would like to be able to bet more to push people off hands in PL they are calling most of the time, the trick is recognising when people hit draws and shutting up shop.

NL there are far more pots where the money goes all in PF or on the flop (naturally this can happen with PL but not has often due to the nature of the betting)

Skill then goes out the window and the poker gods take over! I don't want to leave it to the poker gods to decide whether I win or lose, I prefer being in the driving seat.

ianmc38

Samba wrote:

Skill then goes out the window and the poker gods take over! I don't want to leave it to the poker gods to decide whether I win or lose, I prefer being in the driving seat.

Is that serious or a joke?

pok3rplaya

ianmc38 wrote:

Started tonight in the SE.

Sorry for being the noob here but whats the full name of and where is the SE?

And about the PL vs NL thing, I play poker to make $$ so if I can get fish all in PF with solid hands then I'm a happy camper. Whatever happens after that I don't care.

If you play with a proper bankroll then dropping a few buy-ins because of short term variance in NL is easy to handle.

Marq

teh leg end.

Samba

No, you've missed what i'm trying to say, PL imo has a higher element of skill involved.

Was that a rhetorical question?

If you play with a proper bankroll then dropping a few buy-ins because of short term variance in NL is easy to handle.

Yeah but when you are playing against the calibre of Sporting Emporium players, variance will be wild. You obviously have not paid the place a visit yet, you will see what I mean once you do, this I can assure you of.

pok3rplaya

Samba wrote:

Yeah but when you are playing against the calibre of Sporting Emporium players, variance will be wild. You obviously have not paid the place a visit yet, you will see what I mean once you do, this I can assure you of.

I know the varience bad players can generate. Its combatted by getting a bigger bankroll. I'm talking 30 buy-ins, its easy to drop 3 or 4 on a bad night.

ianmc38

heres a hand from last night that illustrates the calibre of some SE players.

I was dealt AJ on the button. Potted it preflop. 2 callers.

Flop was J high with 2 rags. Checked to me i pot to 50, UTG minraises, everyone else folds. I thought for ages and pushed for an extra 175. UTG calls.

At the showdown he turned over KQo. Thank fookin god he missed.

pok3rplaya

ianmc38 wrote:

heres a hand from last night that illustrates the calibre of some SE players.

I was dealt AJ on the button. Potted it preflop. 2 callers.

Flop was J high with 2 rags. Checked to me i pot to 50, UTG minraises, everyone else folds. I thought for ages and pushed for an extra 175. UTG calls.

At the showdown he turned over KQo. Thank fookin god he missed.

Good. My point is that its easier to do this in NL then PL. Hence >$$

Sinfonia

one thing i've noticed about PL that i don't like is that people bet the pot so often when in a NL game in the same situations they would be betting far less - it seems its just easier to say "pot".

delanec8

SumGuy wrote:

one thing i've noticed about PL that i don't like is that people bet the pot so often when in a NL game in the same situations they would be betting far less - it seems its just easier to say "pot".

Yeah ive noticed the same thing. Its harder to put a player on a specific hand because you cant make anything of there betting patterns. Pot limit allows bad players to make good bets on the flop and turn when they would normally bet an amount which gives you odds to make your drawing hands.

fuzzbox

delanec8 wrote:

Yeah ive noticed the same thing. Its harder to put a player on a specific hand because you cant make anything of there betting patterns. Pot limit allows bad players to make good bets on the flop and turn when they would normally bet an amount which gives you odds to make your drawing hands.

Dont be ridiculous - you are allowed say "pot" in NL games too you know

robinlacey

fuzzbox wrote:

Dont be ridiculous - you are allowed say "pot" in NL games too you know

obviously,but players bet the pot much much more often in pot limit games than in nl,at least in the games ive played...
also,any time i play mtts on UB they always seem to bet the pot,wheras every other site the average bet is much less...

robinlacey

so what were the stacks like in this game
a) at 11 or 12
b)by the time it got to 3 or 4?

i'd like to play some live nl but i don't think i'd be bothered if it was just loads of people sitting there with 25bbs going all in all the time...

delanec8

fuzzbox wrote:

Dont be ridiculous - you are allowed say "pot" in NL games too you know

Of course but from the times ive played in no limit cash games no one has ever said pot or even asked the amount in the pot. Granted this was in Vegas and they dont really play pot limit over there so maybe people here will take pot limit habits into a no limit game, but like i said in the fitz cash game a lot of bad players make good bets, because everyone just bets the pot when they are making a bet, regardless of the strength of their hands and, therefore its harder to pick up on betting patterns.

cardshark202

How is potting half your stack with AKo on a 345 board a good bet? Especially when i have 67. Most of what you've just said delanec is completely wrong.

ianmc38

robinlacey wrote:

so what were the stacks like in this game
a) at 11 or 12
b)by the time it got to 3 or 4?

i'd like to play some live nl but i don't think i'd be bothered if it was just loads of people sitting there with 25bbs going all in all the time...

Last night when i was playing, the stacks ranged from 50-500, average around 150. When i had a look later in the night, there were alot more chips on the table.

delanec8

cardshark202 wrote:

How is potting half your stack with AKo on a 345 board a good bet? Especially when i have 67. Most of what you've just said delanec is completely wrong.

Thats a pretty extreme example and isnt the sort of example i was getting at. Lets say your opponent flops top pair with AK and youre on a flush draw. If youre in a pot limit game the other guy will usually pot it (whether he is a good player or not) and it would be a good bet. If the game was no limit most of the time (im my experience) a poor player will bet a similar amount to the preflop raise, thinking he is milking more money off you, but they will also be giving you far better odds to draw to your flush, and the bad players are going to call you when you hit either way but in no-limit they will generally make it cheaper for you to catch.

These are only my experiences playing no limit cash games but from what ive seen the bets on the flop and turn are generally nowhere near the pot size.

cardshark202

delanec8 wrote:

Thats a pretty extreme example and isnt the sort of example i was getting at. Lets say your opponent flops top pair with AK and youre on a flush draw. If youre in a pot limit game the other guy will usually pot it (whether he is a good player or not) and it would be a good bet. If the game was no limit most of the time (im my experience) a poor player will bet a similar amount to the preflop raise, thinking he is milking more money off you, but they will also be giving you far better odds to draw to your flush, and the bad players are going to call you when you hit either way but in no-limit they will generally make it cheaper for you to catch.

These are only my experiences playing no limit cash games but from what ive seen the bets on the flop and turn are generally nowhere near the pot size.

The pot bets are usually called by about 5 people so you never have to worry about not getting the odds to chase. And most of the awful players in the fitz do not bet the pot like a rabid wolf, only the wannabe pros.

delanec8

cardshark202 wrote:

The pot bets are usually called by about 5 people so you never have to worry about not getting the odds to chase. And most of the awful players in the fitz do not bet the pot like a rabid wolf, only the wannabe pros.

Yeah youre probably right i cant make my mind up. Ive only played in the fitz the odd time recently but most of the players seemed to be saying pot everytime they bet.

RoundTower

fuzzbox wrote:

Dont be ridiculous - you are allowed say "pot" in NL games too you know

It doesn't mean you are betting the amount of the pot though.

fuzzbox

RoundTower wrote:

It doesn't mean you are betting the amount of the pot though.

right Mr. Pedantor, thank you for your help.

RoundTower

I was being serious. Pot limit can encourage bad players to play more correctly by "encouraging" them to bet the amount of the pot. This is usually a reasonably good amount to bet if you are going to bet at all. In NL they don't have this crutch, and have to make up their own number.

That said I prefer PL and I think it is more skilful.