Raging - Rulings please

ianmc38

2 hands from SE cash game tonight. I'm so fcuking angry that I need to post them now!

Same villain both times, never seen him at a cash table before.

Hand 1: Flop AKK

Villain says i've 3 kings and an ace.

Turn is a 4. He then says all-in. Dealer says pot is 45. I say call. he turns over K4 before the river is dealt.

Ruling please.

Hand 2:

Board is 789TA rainbow. I have A6. Villain is UTG. Bets €60 into the pot. Folded to me, someone says "you're buying it again". He says no I have straight and turns over a 6. I eventually call and he turns over his other card a jack.

Ruling?

cacio

unfortunately he'll get away with that. in the first hand he has no option to bet on the river. if you decide to bet he can only call. he cannot raise you. so he's allowed win the pot if you bet and he calls or you check.
the second hand is a little dodgy but again its the same ruling i think. very bad ettiquite on his part but unfortunately some people are like that. sorry.

kinaldo

i don't understand why you're annoyed over the first hand i presume it's heads up and u know exactly what he has u should be grateful

latenia

I thought the SE rule was that you can't show just one hole card. That was the ruling given at a cash table I was in a few weeks ago.

cacio

i'm a dealer myself and i know that its allowed. its not a great ruling but its there. he just cant have any more options.

fixer

you only have to show two hole cards when claiming a pot, even at the SE. There were some new dealers who got bullied into thinking the "show one, show all" rule applied to hole cards when a players was mucking. I confirmed it with Alex & Johnny a last week, so ask the floor manager if you have any doubts.

As to the slow rolling guy, he's just being a prick to wind you up, Ian. Don't let him.

As for the first one, his hand is live but he cannot raise. Ball is in your court.

Marq

When you say in the first hand that he said "all-in" and the dealer said "the pot is forty-five", how much money did he have behind?

Why do you have a problem with him saying "I have 3 kings with an ace"? That's what he had at the time he said it? I wish all my opponents would tell me their hands on every street.

Fixer is right about the "show one, show both" rule (different to the "show one[player], show all" rule). If I were dealing that table I would have given the player a very stern warning about turning over his cards when there is still action, as I don't allow it at my table. But his trick worked, and if exposing cards is allowed in the SE then you have no claim.

cardshark202

Speechplayed

willis

Playin €75 d.c in Emporium,4 handed,player goes all-in,only bb left. Hes thinking for a while at which point the other guy goes ill show you my cards, and shows AQ. He said the reason he showed was because he didnt want to be outdrawn!His mistake fair enuf... but the bb complains, asks for ruling, and Bernard states hand is dead for showing and your man has to give all his chips to the bb!!!so why the HELL isnt the guys hand dead for showing the 6? Whats the difference anybody know?

RoundTower

The ruling is often different for tournaments. If you are heads up in a cash game anything you do can only affect you and your opponent. If it is a tourney, what you do can affect other players not involved in the hand.

ianmc38

If he declares his hand before a showdown is his hand not dead if he's holding what he declares? Eg he says I have a straight and turns one over, is his hand not dead?

In the first hand Marq he had 400 or so and I had 700 or so. He saved me money by showing his hand, as I had a better kicker with my king.

Several of the regulars all came over after the second hand and basically told him he was a cheating scumbag and to give the money back for the sake of his reputation. He refused to. Grand says I, he obviously needs it.

Just before I left, I was called to the table he was sitting at and saw that he was after reraising into the stone cold nuts and losing every single chip he had. I said, "Do you know what? I had a poker of aces last night, and got paid off fully by two people, but seeing that right now is 100 times more satisfying", gave him the fingers and walked out.

2 other older gentlemen, both regulars told him he got exactly what he deserved, so I left with a smile on my face anyway.

Marq

ianmc38 wrote:

If he declares his hand before a showdown is his hand not dead if he's holding what he declares? Eg he says I have a straight and turns one over, is his hand not dead?

No