Call or fold?

dropsy

Deep in a tribeca MTT, 15 players left.
Blinds 3,000/6,000.
Already in the money and pretty flat payouts for next 10 or so places. Big hike for top 4.
I am in top 4 with just over 100k , sb (playing a lot of hands and LAG) has
90k and BB has 14k behind after posting blind.
I raise to 18k with JJ UTG+1, folded to sb who pushes for another 72k. bb folds.
I think sb would do this with any pp and AK, AQ.possibly even KQs.
What to do?

The C Kid

You answered your own question when you gave his range.

dropsy

I think there's more to it than simply odds based on the range I assign to him. In a cash game sure, it's a call but in a tournament where I still have a healthy stack if I fold it doesn't seem as clearcut.....maybe it is - which is why I'm asking.

valor

The C Kid wrote:

You answered your own question when you gave his range.

instacall

breadmonkey

See this is what gets me. We can probably assume he's aware of his table image so if knows that you think he'll do this with any pp, AQ etc, then he could easily be pushing with a monster since you will probably call. No?

ocallagh

i'd call, but tribeca and JJ in the same sentence.... shudder

breadmonkey

lol, why?

Gholimoli

though spot and i dont think this is an inst call as it was suggested.
SB is loose and he knows the table knows this.also LAG players play alot of hands but it dosent mean they reraise a raise with the same range.
your raise came from UTG which deserves respect ,yet he still choose to come over the top of you .i dont think he has AA,KK as if he did he would have maybe reriased you and not try to move you off the hand.
AK/AQ is most likely i think and agaisnt thoes your 50/50 .
there is a chance he could have TT/99/88 here but does he seem like a player who would make that move with them hands?
everything considered its close and even though i think your ahead at this time if you pass you will have something like 90K left and with that blinds its not bad at all.
i wouldnt fault you for calling either if you feel like a gamble.

Daithio

breadmonkey wrote:

See this is what gets me. We can probably assume he's aware of his table image so if knows that you think he'll do this with any pp, AQ etc, then he could easily be pushing with a monster since you will probably call. No?

Of course. But this still doesn't narrow down the range of hands he may be pushing with.

I think you have to call Derry, as you said it's a top heavy payout structure, so you're gonna have to accumulate more chips to have any chance of nice money. You will have to risk your chips at some stage, so when an opportunity arises to accumulate chips when you're more than likely ahead you should take it. It isn't that often that you'll get the chance to get your money in at this stage of a tournament with such good odds.

RoundTower

dropsy wrote:

I think there's more to it than simply odds based on the range I assign to him. In a cash game sure, it's a call but in a tournament where I still have a healthy stack if I fold it doesn't seem as clearcut.....maybe it is - which is why I'm asking.

If you play tournaments thinking like this, you would be better off playing cash games instead. Or possibly not playing at all. It's an easy call.

dropsy

I did eventually call, mainly based on the reasoning Gholi gave in his post. So I thought I might be ahead but was most likely on a coin flip to two overcards and that being so I figured that if I took that pot down I was in a great position to go on and win the tournament. Villian has AQspades and, for what it's worth, hit his flush.

I'm still not sure that the call was as automatic as some have said. I firmly believe that odds based on the possible villians range at this point in a tournament is only one of a number of factors that govern what I should do. Regardless of the outcome, I would have had plenty of play left if I had laid it down and tried to pick on shorter stacks and tighter players blinds instead.

Hectorjelly

The call is automatic because there is so much in the pot and you dominate a large % of his range if he is pushing with any pp. If he was tight (pushing with TT+ or AK) then it wouldnt be so clear cut.