Immigrants

puttoos

Hi,

Quite new in boards, checking if someone else have felt the same. Have any immigrants faced descrimination while looking for jobs in Ireland? I'm a non-EU and here for 5 years on permanent employment. I'm trying to change job now and despite having some hot skills I dont get any interview. Is it me or my color? I have heard people telling me consultants discourage non-EU people and one consultant earlier mentioned to me that "Colour matters!". Have any non-nationals browsing these boards felt the same?

P

Archeron

I'm not a non-national, but out of interest, where are you from?

Beruthiel

puttoos wrote:

Hi,
one consultant earlier mentioned to me that "Colour matters!"

when you say consultant, do you mean a recruitment agency? because if a professional recruitment agency said anything like that to me I would loose the rag with them.
I do not think Ireland is worse than anywhere else, but as with all countries, there are good and bad people everywhere.
don't give up!

pyramuid man

Well I am Irish but I have lived with Polish people and they get treated like crap. Two people I know were working 14 hours a day either 6 or 7 days a week and they were not getting any overtime rates. Rediculous

Degsy

puttoos wrote:

Hi,

Quite new in boards, checking if someone else have felt the same. Have any immigrants faced descrimination while looking for jobs in Ireland? I'm a non-EU and here for 5 years on permanent employment. I'm trying to change job now and despite having some hot skills I dont get any interview. Is it me or my color? I have heard people telling me consultants discourage non-EU people and one consultant earlier mentioned to me that "Colour matters!". Have any non-nationals browsing these boards felt the same?

P

I spent over 4 years on contracts before getting a permanent job in my chosen field,many times i didnt get an itnerveiw either.This is not a matter of "colour" as most people here are terrified of being considered racist.Perhaps your "hot skills" just arent as hot as you think they are!

Beruthiel

knowing your rights makes all the difference,
I go out of my way to inform all non irish who work with my company what they are entitled to.

puttoos

Good to know that "not getting interview" happens to others, since i was in a dilemma to stick on to my job or take a chance and go contracting. Having said that, descrimination exists in Irish work place. My first impression on Irish were happy friendly people until i heard "Colour matters" comment from someone who happenned to be my previous employer and was trying to place me with somewhere. I also hear people saying they are denied of promotions etc.

Hobbes

puttoos wrote:

My first impression on Irish were happy friendly people until i heard "Colour matters" comment from someone who happenned to be my previous employer and was trying to place me with somewhere. I also hear people saying they are denied of promotions etc.

All of which are very illegal. If you have a recruiter placing you based on that you would have a case for discrimination.

Dyr

pyramuid man wrote:

Well I am Irish but I have lived with Polish people and they get treated like crap. Two people I know were working 14 hours a day either 6 or 7 days a week and they were not getting any overtime rates. Rediculous

the reason they're treated like crap is because they're willing to work for those rates as opposed to the irish bloke who didnt get the job for that reason. Exploitable foreign labour does wonders for our economy dontchya know? :rolleyes:

Gegerty

I think my company has a foreigners only policy the amount they employ. Maybe its just you and nothing to do with your colour or race. I'm Irish and white and its hard for me to get a job after several interviews I gave up looking. I wish i could blame it on my skin colour.

ArthurDent

puttoos wrote:

Hi,

Quite new in boards, checking if someone else have felt the same. Have any immigrants faced descrimination while looking for jobs in Ireland? I'm a non-EU and here for 5 years on permanent employment. I'm trying to change job now and despite having some hot skills I dont get any interview. Is it me or my color? I have heard people telling me consultants discourage non-EU people and one consultant earlier mentioned to me that "Colour matters!". Have any non-nationals browsing these boards felt the same?

P

Puttoos , another reason employers may not be so keen is that as a non-EU citizen there are more obligations/ restrictions on employing you than an EU citizen - not saying that you haven't come acroos descriminating employers but this too might be the case.

mountainyman

puttoos wrote:

Good to know that "not getting interview" happens to others, since i was in a dilemma to stick on to my job or take a chance and go contracting. Having said that, descrimination exists in Irish work place. My first impression on Irish were happy friendly people until i heard "Colour matters" comment from someone who happenned to be my previous employer and was trying to place me with somewhere. I also hear people saying they are denied of promotions etc.

Your English isn't fluent.
I worked for a period of time as a recruitment consultant and saw some extraordinary discrimination. There was one case of a Nigerian woman who despite being the best qualified applicant for a was asked to sit a technical examination. She passed the exam but was denied the job. The same IT manager was ageist BTW.

MM

Aporia

Beruthiel wrote:

knowing your rights makes all the difference,
I go out of my way to inform all non irish who work with my company what they are entitled to.

That's a very good point. If you know your rights you're on the right track. Plenty of immigrants are discrimminated against in Ireland without realising it. I would suggest getting yourself a copy of this. The more educated you are on the subject the better. At least then you will know if you are being treated unfairly and can then take action (The Department of Enterprise, Trade, and Employment). The Immigration Council of Ireland also has a information service number to call on the link above if that's any help to you.

blackbuster

Racism is all over the place in this country. Just look at some of the comments here on boards.ie not to mention stormfront.org!

You should keep going and play the racism card if you have to. Employers are terrified of this and will give you the job ahead of more qualified white people.:)

Chucky the tree

Gegerty wrote:

I think my company has a foreigners only policy the amount they employ. Maybe its just you and nothing to do with your colour or race. I'm Irish and white and its hard for me to get a job after several interviews I gave up looking. I wish i could blame it on my skin colour.

You can just blame it on you being uneducated and unskilled though.

Chucky the tree

Beruthiel wrote:

when you say consultant, do you mean a recruitment agency? because if a professional recruitment agency said anything like that to me I would loose the rag with them.

Lose the rag for telling you the truth?


If i was an immigrant i would prefer him to be honest about my job chances or if i would be treated differently.

Freelancer

blackbuster wrote:

Racism is all over the place in this country. Just look at some of the comments here on boards.ie not to mention stormfront.org!

You should keep going and play the racism card if you have to. Employers are terrified of this and will give you the job ahead of more qualified white people.:)

Are you still shilling for stormfront?

blackbuster

Freelancer wrote:

Are you still shilling for stormfront?

Would you mind telling me how you make that out? I'm not shilling for anybody!:mad:

Slunk

blackbuster wrote:

You should keep going and play the racism card if you have to.

No he shouldnt, anytime anything goes wrong you cant just pull out the racism card, thats whats wrong these days, slightest thing and its out with the race card. You should only bring this into it if you know for sure this is the reason, but if somebody else applied for the job and was more skilled/suited to the job dont.Just keep trying , not everyone is like that, ive worked with immigrants and they could do the job better than some natives. If i was hiring I know who I'd hire. Dont give up, somebody will recognise you for your ability and skills and not your race

blackbuster

Slunk wrote:

No he shouldnt, anytime anything goes wrong you cant just pull out the racism card, thats whats wrong these days, slightest thing and its out with the race card.

Thats the right thing to do. They could also go to court and get a large payout.

Slunk wrote:

ive worked with immigrants and they could do the job better than some natives. If i was hiring I know who I'd hire. Dont give up, somebody will recognise you for your ability and skills and not your race

Yes, I too would choose blacks over whites because whites don't need the jobs. They were not forced to take out a mortgage and buy a big car.

nesf

You've a very simplistic view on immigration and racism blackbuster. You sure you're not from stormfront?

puttoos

mountainyman wrote:

Your English isn't fluent.
I worked for a period of time as a recruitment consultant and saw some extraordinary discrimination. There was one case of a Nigerian woman who despite being the best qualified applicant for a was asked to sit a technical examination. She passed the exam but was denied the job. The same IT manager was ageist BTW.

MM

What is wrong with those phrases? I thought they are the best ones i could pull!

Freelancer

blackbuster wrote:

Would you mind telling me how you make that out? I'm not shilling for anybody!:mad:

Using my fiendish powers of deduction.

You're here pretending to be a "liberal" presenting a distortion of actual "liberal" opinions in a rather pathetic attempt to sully their names.

blackbuster wrote:

I'm liberal and proud and glad that there will be no whites left

And you've mentioned stormfront at least three times in your brief posting history here.

Like I said, you're a shill and a bad one at that.

puttoos

blackbuster wrote:

Thats the right thing to do. They could also go to court and get a large payout.


Yes, I too would choose blacks over whites because whites don't need the jobs. They were not forced to take out a mortgage and buy a big car.

Blackbuster,

How bad you feel against foreigners in your neighbourhood, this is not going to go away. It is part of globalisation and all the good and bad comes with it. Chinese goods are cheap because their production costs are less and we are happy to buy them since they are cheaper. But people complain industries are closing down in Ireland to go for cheaper destinations in east. My irish company brought me here because there was shortage of ICT skill sets in Ireland and they couldnt keep up with their committments. If you want to protect Irish industries and keep a familiar neighbourhood, you have to stop doing business with outside world!

Your English isn't fluent.

Yes, it is. Who cares if he made a couple of non important mistakes? Very few foreigners speak English like a native but if you can get the message across perfectly and speak in fluent sentences, that is fine for most jobs, unless it's for a magazine proofreader or something. Things like using the wrong preposition are considered minor mistakes, even in language exams.

blackbuster

I tell it like it is and it's obvious som people dont like that. I'm a true liberal and as the right wingers here dont like dat they call me a stormfront shill. Us real liberals are straight talking and you people know that and are fearful of us. How do you think the media has changed peoples mindsets of the last decades? By straight talking! Your cover is blown folks - go and tackle the real stormfronters that litter the boards.ie site!

Freelancer

I tell it like it is and it's obvious som people dont like that. I'm a true liberal and as the right wingers here dont like dat they call me a stormfront shill.

Yes I'm right wing, or rather I'm leftwing and dislike you distorting actual liberal opinions.

How do you think the media has changed peoples mindsets of the last decades? By straight talking! Your cover is blown folks - go and tackle the real stormfronters that litter the boards.ie site!

Oh look another stormfront reference.......:rolleyes:

darkman2

The story of the Nigerian lad from Clondalkin due to be deported should open ppls eyes.

Remember how he came back triumphantly to Dublin Airport and told us (the Irish ppl) how he would stay forever? He now is up for driving offences before the courts and yet another appeal is about to be heard on his deportation. This guy now has a child to an Irish mother. Thankfully the law has been changed with respect to this and its of no consequence. The asylum system is there for a reason and anyone who fails it should be deported quickly and efficiently from this country. Having said that racist nutjobs should be sent with them:mad:

Hobbes

darkman2 wrote:

This guy now has a child to an Irish mother. Thankfully the law has been changed with respect to this and its of no consequence.

Actually the law was never changed in this regard. The referendum was in relation to the nationality of the child, and hey guess what! If they have a child it will be Irish.

With regards to staying here based on a child was long since overturned as a given. It is still possible but there are other factors that are taken into account.

darkman2

Hobbes wrote:

Actually the law was never changed in this regard. The referendum was in relation to the nationality of the child, and hey guess what! If they have a child it will be Irish.

With regards to staying here based on a child was long since overturned as a given. It is still possible but there are other factors that are taken into account.

Yes, I was referring to his case. The child could be as Irish as Podge or Rodge but he will still probrably be deported. How can anyone make an exception for him, it would make a joke of the asylum system:(