2 questions

clint_silver

A couple of questions occured to me last night while playing STTs on stars. i played a few, 5 or 6 i think.

I went heads up 3 times. won twice. I play a lot of 1v1s on PPs so Im fairly happy with my heads up game, however, something happened last night that I was unsure of.
In one of the heads up i won and the one i lost i was really big chip lead when it came heads up, maybe 14000 vs 4000 and the one I lost 16,500 vs 1500. in both, the other player went all in every hand as they were so low. thats fine. I hit KK early in the successful on so that was that but in the one I lost I was getting real bard cards (73, 83, 62 etc), I didnt want to double him up so waited until I had at least a face card. got J10 when about 14k vs 4k, went all in , he had Ax and held up which left us nearly even in chips, his hands played out in the end for him to win it. So the question is with the chip lead so high, is it an all in every time no matter what you have or was I just unlucky with what I was getting? If this happens again, Im only letting one crap hand go before the allin fest begins but just wondering what others think.

Other question that has reared its head a couple of times here that Im unclear of. In an STT or MTT, preflop, if a tight player is short and has few BBs left (say between 4 and 8), if he raises OOP but not all in (say for half his stack), does it indicate that hes strong (Top pair) and trying to get callers rather then (AK, AQ, AJ) which would usually (id like to think) be a push if he was so short?

thanks.

wayfarer

What were the blinds in the first one? You haven't given much information but its definitely bad to let a guy almost treble up just by stealing blinds. Remember, you're rarely going to be getting better than 60/40 when you do call. And if you called with a random hand you're never that much behind.

preflop? OOP? top pair? Is it before or after the flop you're talking about here? or both?

RoundTower

If your opponent is going every hand you should be definitely calling with any K, I would call with JT depending on stack sizes.

Probably this minraise is more likely to be AA or KK but your opponent could be an idiot or trying to confuse you.

ianmc38

Tight shortstack not pushing = Flashing neon light reading "I have AA/KK"

clint_silver

The blinds in the heads up I lost were (AFAIR) up to 400/800 so he had no more then 2-3 left. I thought to myself, give it 2-3 hands let him steal as all I need is half a hand in the next 3-4 blinds to win it as I'll still be ahead chipwise even if I dont call, however the half a hand just didnt come so Im thinking if hes pushing with anything why shouldnt I do same and let the poker gods decide from early while I can still afford to lose and be ahead, else if I wait 4-5-6 blinds, he'll come up level and it wont be as easy to just hope my Q8/K5/A4 will come out on top.

In the other question

preflop? OOP? top pair? Is it before or after the flop you're talking about here? or both?

Does preflop not mean before the flop? if not then yes I mean before or even I suppose if hes in BB after the flop,
OOP - out of position
Top Pair - AA/KK
(are the above terms not commonly used around here, I thought they were, still getting used to them I guess, sry for confusion)
this question would be regarding a player I wouldnt consider to be an idiot so yes a tight player, the type of example Im thinking of would be where he has around 1500 in chips, blinds are 200/400, he min raises UTG +1 or +2, would that say hes got AA, KK etc rather then AK, AQ, 1010, which would be an all in for me at that stage. So If you have the A10/A9/bottom pair and youre large stacked (8k plus) in the blinds is that a call? Id be more tempted to fold to the min raise from this type of player then an all in from the same type. (remember Im still newish, not like you didnt know anyway )

wayfarer

In the first hand, the first all-in should have been an automatic call, even if you had 32o. You must have already put in 800 to see him go all-in, whichever position you were in, so 700 into a pot of 2300 is a call every time. You can re-evaluate after that if you lose.

You have your terms a little mixed up. OOP is usually for after the flop. It's usually UTG, EP, MP, LP C/O, Button, SB or BB pre-flop. And AA and KK aren't top pairs, they're big pocket pairs. Top pairs is only when you connect with the highest card on the board, (ie. post-flop)

clint_silver

In the first hand, the first all-in should have been an automatic call, even if you had 32o. You must have already put in 800 to see him go all-in, whichever position you were in, so 700 into a pot of 2300 is a call every time. You can re-evaluate after that if you lose.

Duly noted.

You have your terms a little mixed up. OOP is usually for after the flop. It's usually UTG, EP, MP, LP C/O, Button, SB or BB pre-flop. And AA and KK aren't top pairs, they're big pocket pairs. Top pairs is only when you connect with the highest card on the board, (ie. post-flop)

Nice one.

wayfarer

clint_silver wrote:

Nice one.

LOL! I'm nicking that for my bebo!

ianmc38

wayfarer wrote:

for my bebo!

Oh dear
[shudder][/shudder]

wayfarer

I should have known better than to post that around here! Ah well, five-hundred-thousand-million people can't be wrong

EDIT: And lest not we forget what one John Walter Wayland said in describing The True Gentleman - "who does not make... any man [conscious] of his inferiority"

tsk tsk, what would he say!

cardshark202

wayfarer wrote:

I should have known better than to post that around here! Ah well, five-hundred-thousand-million people can't be wrong

Don't forget these people's parents voted for George Bush.