Going All In On A Draw?

Degag

I was playing in my local pub game sunday night and got to the final.... i had a slight chip lead over my opponent. I was holding 10 5 offsuit with the flop coming k, j, q rainbow. My opponent raised about 2 bb (quite alot in our game because we try and have as many games as possible, therefore raise the blinds high) I play with this guy often and know that he gets very loose heads up whereas i (and he knows it) remain tight. I decide to raise all in which is called.... he is holding qx... i hit my straight on the turn and win the game.... I was thinking afterwards though that this was decidedly bad play... any ideas?

nikorami

No real issue here. HU, aggression is important and as such the open ender was more than justified. K or Q or J with a good kicker probably raises preflop so he could have had the A or a 10 too. I think you were fine with your decision, remember HE called your raise over the top. Now if you bet and he raised over the top then I would think a fold would have been the play. IMO

RoundTower

10 5o is the best hand to make this kind of play with, because you can hit all the straights and two possible flushes.

califano

Never go all in on a draw H.U unless you are outchipped 1/3 or 1/4

Hectorjelly

rounders123 wrote:

Never go all in on a draw H.U unless you are outchipped 1/3 or 1/4

why not?

ciaran13

theres no mention of betting pre flop here which is knda important.personally i wudnt of made this play. i mean unless he folds u know dat like 70% of the time ur not gonna hit that starit and uv no overcards.also since he made a big raise it was likely that there wasnt whole lot left for him to call. which makes it more likely hes gonna call and thus ur takin a complete gamble and hoping to hit. also if there was no raise preflop then u can fold this witout it being major ur only chips commited being the blind

califano

Because your a dog to a made hand so your needlessly doubling your outchipped opponent up on more occasions than not.
However if your badly outchipped the gamble of going all in on a draw is well worth the risk even knowing your opponent has a hand because your in need of a double up.
The fact that tackle only had a slight chip lead making this move makes it even worse imo. I see to many players lose their chip lead H.U making this move on a draw(online).
My opinion anyway.

Hectorjelly

How to play a draw depends on a number of factors, primarily how often you think your opponent will fold, and the strength of your draw. As long as your opponent has enough chips to fold then it doesnt matter who outchips who. In fact it might be slightly better if you outchip them as they have the danger of going broke which can make it harder to call.

califano

Good points but its evident in the games i play(mostly $25 stt's) theres no chance of opponents folding middle pair and little chance sometimes of folding bottom pair H.U(so i can safely put pub players in this bracket also). These players* read and hear somewhere 'Any pair heads up is a VERY STRONG hand' therefore they play it to the death. Therefore i assume they will not fold so im not thinking too deeply about 'will he fold a hand if i go all in on my draw here'. In live games and bigger games online your points are more in my thoughts.


* Judging from tackles abandoned blog he seemed to be a reasnonably good cash player and should assume this player wouldnt fold any hand with the same thinking.

Degag

I'm not sure where you are coming from there... i would play middle pairs very conservatively heads up.... and as for my opponant, well he's quite accomplished... he's gotten to final tables of big tournies and went quite far in the irish open this year.