Nietzsches "Slave Morality"

pbsuxok1znja4r

I read about Nietzsches ideas of master and slave morality, recently and I can't help but think he's gotten it somewhat wrong.
"Slave morality begins in those people who are weak, oppressed and abused" - It reads.

So some kid regularly gets his skull beaten in by his dad; he's now the type of guy who's liable to A) advocate kindness and compassion, go outside and beat the snot out of some other kid....?
Personally I can only see the subject of domestic (or otherwise) abuse turning into a violent person themselves, rather than an advocate the obedience and submissiveness of "slave morality".
And the poor or the oppressed? You go to an poor/underprivileged area,(and excuse me if I'm not being P.C. here, but I mean a real kip); you don't see people displaying charity and compassion, you see greed, selfishness and violence more often instead.

The weak are the ones who find weakness the most disgusting, are they not? Those who lack 'might' are usually the ones who covet and worship it the most.

Under Nietzsches ideas, it would be the plebian/peasant class who would be most given to acts of kindness and charity, but is this the case? Not as far as I can see...is the stereotypical 'chugger' not of the young, affluent class? The "D4" chicks/guys trying to raise money for the less fortunate etc etc

Does anyone else not find these contradictions to what Nietzsche says?

Dades

I'm not up on my Nietzsche (or any philosopher) but I have to comment on a few points you've made.

scouser.tommy wrote:

You go to an poor/underprivileged area,(and excuse me if I'm not being P.C. here, but I mean a real kip); you don't see people displaying charity and compassion, you see greed, selfishness and violence more often instead.

Perhaps greed, selfishness and violence are the characteristics presented to us by the media, or the more visual aspects of a community. Charity can be work done quietly and without fanfare. I would suggest that such areas have a lot of community spirit amongst certain age-groups and this is manifested in actions that would not make headlines outside of it.

scouser.tommy wrote:

The weak are the ones who find weakness the most disgusting, are they not? Those who lack 'might' are usually the ones who covet and worship it the most.

I actually would have thought the opposite is the case. Perhaps the weak may dislike their weakness, but it would take the mighty to find it disgusting.

Meh.

Laplandman

Does anyone else not find these contradictions to what Nietzsche says?

No. You present statements that bear no resemblance to reality whatsoever. Give the proles and chuggers a chance.

Nevyn

Nietzsche didn't write down what he tought simply but poses a lot questions to make you think and consider hence the seeming contradictions.

pbsuxok1znja4r

Thaedydal wrote:

Nietzsche didn't write down what he tought simply but poses a lot questions to make you think and consider hence the seeming contradictions.

So you're saying he came out with these ideas (i.e. only the 'weak' believe in charity etc), for the very purpose of making us question that notion?
Well, I hope you're right. From what I read, though, it certainly seemed like he was trying to present his ideas of master and slave moralities as real truths, i.e. that they are the case. I'd like to think you're right about that.

Cillian1973

Nietzsche is referring to the weak, abused and oppressed spirit. This abuse is not physical but a subtle type inflicted by society in general and so those who feel weak in spirit will enevitably want to belong the origin of organised religion

jady88

Nietzsche is not perfect, of course not but does that mean that his contradictions, of which there are many dismiss his work? No gar nicht. The slave thesis is an idea that those who are oppresed often learn to look to others to liberate or save them rather than looking into themselves and learning to fight back and be a commander not a slave.