Extracting the most money

ChipLdr

Hey i've one problem with my game and its knowing how much to extract from ppl when i've the Nuts or know i'm well ahead.

Hand 1 Cash game (.50c-$1) Shorthanded

I was dealt TT Utg and limped,Tight player raised from UTG+2 to $4 button calls and i call.Flop comes 6T6 Rainbow.I check and TP bets $4,button folds and i smooth call. Turn is a 2 and i check again and TP bets $4.I delay for ages(i shouldve done acting) before finally calling.The river is a 5 and i bet out $12 and he flat calls and he mucks.

Perhaps a raise on the turn to build the pot? I felt he had AK as he was betting same amount each time as if he was betting for info.Poorly played by me but didnt want to scare him off with a raise? Love to hear your thoughts and suggestions.

Hand 2 Same Game against same player.

I'm dealt 77 UTG +1 same player makes it $4 to play.Button calls as does small blind and i call. Flop comes 7 Q 2 Rainbow.I check, same TP makes it $4 the rest fold and i smooth call.The turn is a 5 completing the rainbow and i check and TP makes it $4 again and i reraise to $8 which he calls.The river is a T and i bet out $12 and he smooth calls and he mucks.


Now after i raised in the 2nd hand i felt my cover was blown so no point in checking the river but i didnt want to bet strong and scare him off so wat is the right play in these situations?What amount should i be betting to ensure a caller?Cheers all!!

fixer

try calling less smoothly on the flop.

notice both patterns have check/call the flop? check/raise might imply a lot of strength and scare away customers, but at the low limits, why not bet it out first?

BigDragon

fixer wrote:

notice both patterns have check/call the flop? check/raise might imply a lot of strength and scare away customers, but at the low limits, why not bet it out first?

Agreed, and try your acting before betting not before calling. Some players see it as a sign of a big hand but some as a sign of weaknees (continuation bet). Figure out how each player reads you or others in this situation and add to your player notes and play accordingly.


Better still, wait for HJ and take his advise

fuzzbox

Raise both these hands preflop.
Then bet them on the flop, bet them on the turn, and go all-in on the river.

There.

Oh - and check/minraise SUCKS. If you want to get paid, then bet your damn hand.

ChipLdr

fuzzbox wrote:

Raise both these hands preflop.
Then bet them on the flop, bet them on the turn, and go all-in on the river.

There.

Oh - and check/minraise SUCKS. If you want to get paid, then bet your damn hand.

Cant agree with raising OOP with the 77 if someone comes in behind me with a reraise as i'm building the pot and if i miss then thats a lot of money wasted and i will miss more than i hit!! Surely limping in EP is the better option?

Keep the rants coming.very helpful!!!

fuzzbox

ChipLdr wrote:

Cant agree with raising OOP with the 77 if someone comes in behind me with a reraise as i'm building the pot and if i miss then thats a lot of money wasted and i will miss more than i hit!! Surely limping in EP is the better option?

Keep the rants coming.very helpful!!!

Its up to you as to what you do sir, alls Im doing is offering you some suggestions.

You asked - "how do I make more money"
I say - "bet more".

a-k-47

Raise both these hands preflop.
Then bet them on the flop, bet them on the turn, and go all-in on the river.

There.

Oh - and check/minraise SUCKS. If you want to get paid, then bet your damn hand.

this is the best approach to take when youve got the best hand, dont bother trying to trap. some players often find this approach to be a bluff. be aggressive with your pp

ChipLdr

fuzzbox wrote:

You asked - "how do I make more money"
I say - "bet more".

hmmmmm....Quite simple reallly. Whats a good bet with a set? POT Size 2/3 pot?

fuzzbox

Let me ask you this Chip, what do you think the villain had in both of these hands?

ChipLdr

I'm thinking AK as it was shocking weak betting on his part

fuzzbox

ChipLdr wrote:

hmmmmm....Quite simple reallly. Whats a good bet with a set? POT Size 2/3 pot?

If you do this -
Make it 3.5 to go preflop. Get called by villain, everybody else folds.

Pot is now 8.5 on flop

You flop set.
You bet 8, call

turn (24.5)
You bet 20, call

River (64.5)
You have put 31 into the pot, and have about 70 left. (assuming 100BB stacks).
You move in, call

Victory is yours.

You could also bet 25 on the the turn, making the pot 75, and the remaining stack 65, making a call even more enticing.

If he raises at any point, it only serves to make your task easier.
If he folds at any point, then c'est la vie - he wasnt gonna give you much in any case.

fuzzbox

ChipLdr wrote:

I'm thinking AK as it was shocking weak betting on his part

Do you think he calls the river with AK in either hand?

ChipLdr

Later on i seen him showdown A high a few times so even though he appeared tight he also couldnt drop strong preflop hands.This is of course .50c $1 we're talking about and i know i played them poorly so thats why ur advice is very helpful fuzz

FastMachine

You shouldn't be worried about missing out on action from missed overcards, you should be trying to extract the most from overpairs. If he has nothing, you're not going to get much off him anyway.
I'd cr the first hand $8 on the flop, at least if he's got nothing you'll still get the amount he bets. It looks more like you have something if you wait till the turn to cr on this board and you're also missing out on building the pot from the flop.
Then, depending on how fishy he is I'll bet half the pot to keep him in the pot or I'll bet the pot/go all in if I think he'll call it.

Hand 2 - Standard cr on either the flop or turn will do the trick here. Don't be afraid to bet big after cr. On the last hand you bet 12 into a 40 pot on a non flush/straight board. If he has AA/KK/AQ, he'll call a pot sized bet here. You should've made a much bigger reraise on the turn (or the flop) though and then you'd be able to make an even bigger river bet or get all your cash in.

There's nothing wrong with leading in either hand, but I like cr'ing as you get to build the pot quicker and get all the money in earlier. All too often if you delay the big bet/cr a scare card will come and will kill your action......you'll both be worried has the other guy got the flush for example.

Cr'ing might be obvious but it works a treat at all levels, most players are just unable to fold an overpair/tptk in a raised pot. I made a move with AdQd the other week on a Kxx two diamond board. Like I would do with a set, I reraised the flop and put it all in on the turn and was called by a what I thought was a decent player with KQ. I would have a fairly tight image so I was surprised at the call but it just reinforced my belief that the vast majority of opponents will call off their stack with an overpair/tptk.
I'd normally stick it all in with a flush draw + overcard(s) on the flop if I think I have decent folding equity but I wanted to make it look like a set as I thought my opponent had some cop on. At the lower levels the calling is even worse so if you have a set you should be stacking your opponent if he's got a good hand.

ianmc38

1. Raise preflop
2. Bet flop
3. Bet turn
4. Bet river

1+2+3+4 = Mo money

fuzzbox

ianmc38 wrote:

1. Raise preflop
2. Bet flop
3. Bet turn
4. Bet river

1+2+3+4 = Mo money

My how you've grown

RoundTower

ChipLdr wrote:

I'm thinking AK as it was shocking weak betting on his part

Don't worry about what happens if he has AK. If he has AK you got the most possible money off him but it still wasn't much better than nothing. When you have a lot of money in front of you, you want to get his whole stack occasionally instead of getting $10 extra every time.

Hope he has AA instead and try to find a way to get him all in. If you bet the flop he probably raises with AA. He probably even calls a check raise - this board is a lot better for you than if you had 66 and the board was 6TT.