More hot PLO action: OOP bites

fuzzbox

Party 2/4 game - once again full ring.

Hero is in the blinds with AcAdTs3s and a full stack
Villain is in EP and covers.

Preflop
Villain limps, one other limp, SB completes, hero checks.

Pot (16)
Th 3s 2d
Checked to villain, who pots, folded to hero, who was going to fold, but notices he has top two pair. Hero calls.

Turn (48)
Qd
Hero leads for pot, villain calls quickly

River (144)
6s
Hero checks, villain pots ... and hero ???

How did we do here?

handsfree

again don't see how you can call, could have raised on the flop instead of flat calling because you've left yourself open to be out drawn. It seems to me that your not as sure of yourself in plo as you are in hold'em. also no reads as to what this guy has done before so hard to call.

fixer

I don't lead the turn on this hand, probably fold to his bet there.

You're only beating 23 and T2.

fuzzbox

fixer wrote:

I don't lead the turn on this hand, probably fold to his bet there.

You're only beating 23 and T2.

And draws and a singleton T and KK and JJ

5starpool

fuzzbox wrote:

And draws and a singleton T and KK and JJ

You have not led us to believe that this guy will fire a pot bet on a missed draw or worse again, with a lone T lead the flop, call the turn and pot the river.

The turn call only though from him is slightly odd, and presumably is what has you posting this hand?

I don't see how you can call the river bet. You will not be ahead often enough against a standard opponent to justify this.

handsfree

it comes down to whether you think that this player will be that stubburn with an overpair to the board or will bluff on the river but since we have no read its impossible to decide what he has. i would think a random 2/4 PLO player would have more than 2 pair to insta-call and then pot it.

you could be right though insta-call sometimes indicates a drawing hand but i would stick to what i said previously and fold it. its far too marginal

fuzzbox

5starpool wrote:

You have not led us to believe that this guy will fire a pot bet on a missed draw or worse again, with a lone T lead the flop, call the turn and pot the river.

The turn call only though from him is slightly odd, and presumably is what has you posting this hand?

I don't see how you can call the river bet. You will not be ahead often enough against a standard opponent to justify this.

My comment was related to the hands that I am ahead of on the turn, and is the reason why I lead out on the turn.

Just to clarify

5starpool

fuzzbox wrote:

My comment was related to the hands that I am ahead of on the turn, and is the reason why I lead out on the turn.

Just to clarify

You asked a question and got an answer when he bet the pot on the river.

Hectorjelly

5starpool wrote:

You asked a question and got an answer when he bet the pot on the river.

lol - all we know is that he either has a hand now or he is bluffing. If fuzz had led the river and got raised it would be a different story

RoundTower

The most likely draw got there. Most of the hands that pot the flop will have a T or trips or 45 in there somewhere. I think I fold on the river. I don't like your line throughout the hand, although obviously if you didn't realise you flopped top two you have a good excuse.

5starpool

Hectorjelly wrote:

lol - all we know is that he either has a hand now or he is bluffing. If fuzz had led the river and got raised it would be a different story

Without any reads HJ how will you decipher?

fuzzbox

RoundTower wrote:

The most likely draw got there. Most of the hands that pot the flop will have a T or trips or 45 in there somewhere. I think I fold on the river. I don't like your line throughout the hand, although obviously if you didn't realise you flopped top two you have a good excuse.

Thats 4-tabling for ya.

Whats particularly wrong with my line?

fuzzbox

Results:
Well - I passed in the end. 45 was certainly in his range. I would expect him to raise me very often with a set on the turn, so I figured I was good.

I am not sure if I should have passed.

If the river was a 7 .... then thats an even tougher spot.