WTF are you doing Ferguson?

Chong

As the title says, why in gods name are you continuing to leave one of our best players on the bench. In the Carling Cup I could understand why Ruud was left out, because Saha had played very well in the tournament up onto till then. But why does he continue to freeze Ruud out. Ferguson you are doing the same to Ruud as what you did to Becks. Becks was one of our best players, you froze him out , sold him and the team crumbled, FFS you got rid of Roy, whom of which was the most infuential players in the EL and Europe, now your doing the same to the top scorer in the league. You replace Ruud with Louis Saha, whom of which is most frustrating player to watch. Our team is a complete joke to say the least, fortunately the only thing you have managed to get right was the purchase of Rooney. All I can say at this stage is roll on the day you get the sack , along with the joker you call an assistant manager.

Tbh I dont care if we are winning today 2-0, second in the league is bullsh!t , out of the FA cup and out of Europe, the worst of all is fooling ourselves into thinking that the Carling Cup is a consolation.

Rant over from a very pissed off Man United Fan

RasTa

What the hell are you on about ?
We are 2nd in the league, out of the champos league and fa cup. If i seem to recall Rudd started most of them games ?. In no way am i blaming Rudd for any of this but to blame the manager is a absolute disgrace, considering all he has done for United.
No one can stop Chelsea this season.

RVN10

You know i thought give louis saha a chance prove to us we still need him , answer is NO!!! whats the point in playin saha wen he is missing perfect chances , ruud came on lst week set up a goal for Ronaldo and still sits on the bench wtf complete and utter BS , im for one who is also very pissed off wit the setup goin on there at the moment , sack the idiot Fergie you are going scenial and as for Querioz i think Real Madrid can show to us wat they think of his management skills nuf said!!!!!

PHB

What is the benefit in this match of RUud playing?

Why do you think he is freezing him out? Where do you get that from? You're just saying what the papers are telling you to think.

There is no evidence to suggest that Ruud is being freezed out, Saha is playing and we are totally dominated the game. Whether Ruud woulda done better is open to debate, but the fact of the matter is we have absolutely destroyed Newcastle, and you're pissed off at Fergie for it?

You make no sense.

RasTa

So Saha misses a chance, yet we are still 2-0 up but fergie must go because rudd is on the bench again ? Even though Saha has scored 7 goals in his last 9 games. I dunno, i just dont.

Chong

I am not dismissing what Ferguson has done for Man United , the man is a legend. But the legend has run out of ideas, he is now a figure head whom of which lets Queiroz do all the background work. Queiroz's ideas are what run Man United , and Ferguson fails to realise that thos ideas are complete rubbish. You can see it when Ferguson sits in the crowd rather than sit in the dugout. We have 5 good players thats it the rest are not Man United material. The 5 good players Ruud, Rooney, RIO, Neville and Heinze, the rest are jokers.

Chong

He is freezing out Ruud , I didnt want to believe it either. Its clear today that he is , this is the 3 game on the trot that Ruud hasnt started.

PHB

How is that proving what?
That is just stupid.

League Cup - I never ever ever want to see Ruud playing the league cup, the compo is below him. Saha played all the other games and deserved to start. Vidic and Evra were brought on to blood them for trophies

Wigan - He started Saha cause he had already destroyed Wigan, not a bad idea. RUud came on at the 70th minute and did fantastic.

Today - Saha is on a run, we can't play 2 strikers for an entire season. 4 strikers is the way to go, we saw that in 99.
So you've got a choice:
Play Ruud and win the match by 5 goals
But ruin Saha's confidence by dropping him after he has preformed so well

Or play Saha, keep the run going, get him back to himself. Ruud isn't too bothered, it's been shown. And now he is warming up!

Stop being silly.


Also go to www.redissue.co.uk, you'd fit right in there.

Chong

PHB, you just know this Ruud issue is going to snowfall further from todays game.

PHB

How about you this:

When Ruud comes out and says he is unhappy, we can consider it. Until then, stop believing the tabloids.
What would you have said if it had been Rooney and Rossi today?
Everyone would say, ah he is young, give him a chance.
This is the exact same situation.

Ruskie4Rent

I'd start saha in the next game too. He was unlucky with his chances and him and rooney were working well together. He also seems to be good at making runs and trying to get in a good position, something ruud just didn't do when he came on. ManU play alot like they used to do when Yorke was at his best when rooney and saha play up top.

Ruskie4Rent

Willem D wrote:

As the title says, why in gods name are you continuing to leave one of our best players on the bench. In the Carling Cup I could understand why Ruud was left out, because Saha had played very well in the tournament up onto till then. But why does he continue to freeze Ruud out. Ferguson you are doing the same to Ruud as what you did to Becks. Becks was one of our best players, you froze him out , sold him and the team crumbled, FFS you got rid of Roy, whom of which was the most infuential players in the EL and Europe, now your doing the same to the top scorer in the league. You replace Ruud with Louis Saha, whom of which is most frustrating player to watch. Our team is a complete joke to say the least, fortunately the only thing you have managed to get right was the purchase of Rooney. All I can say at this stage is roll on the day you get the sack , along with the joker you call an assistant manager.

Tbh I dont care if we are winning today 2-0, second in the league is bullsh!t , out of the FA cup and out of Europe, the worst of all is fooling ourselves into thinking that the Carling Cup is a consolation.

Rant over from a very pissed off Man United Fan

I only read this post now!!!:eek: what are you talking about? You don't play a player if he's not playing well. Saha had been scoring consistantly before the last two games so what's your problem?

And regards to you slating ferguson, the only thing that i can be angry about is the embarassment in europe. I think ManU have done reasonably well in staying second while they had the worst injury crisis imaginable. I'm not too happy but i'm not as desperate to sack the greatest manager the club has ever had as you seem.

SteM

It's hard to change a winning team so Fergies in a tough position imo.

http://breakingnews.iol.ie/sport/story.asp?j=175720576&p=y757zyz8z&t=soccer

Van Nistelrooy’s failure to train on Friday due to a minor fitness problem could be the explanation behind his latest omission, with Ferguson sticking with the same starting line-up for the third match running.

homerjay2005

the 3 games that van nist has been on the bench for, we have won, so its a bit unfair on fergie just yet. saha has missed alot of the season and needs a run in the team and while ruud is entitled to be p****d off, we dont know what is going on behind the scenes, he could be carrying an injury or something else, we just dont know. yorke and cole scored over 50 goals in 99, yet ferguson started ole and teddy in the semi final replay against arsenal, which was one of the biggest and most defining games of that season. nobody questioned ferguson back then. we are comfortably second in the league and while europe was a disaster, remember, liverpool and chelsea only lasted another round. also, only one of them can win the fa cup, arsenal will not win the champions league, so say if chelsea do the double, we finish second, does that mean we have had a poor season, what about the scousers and arsenal then, do you think there fans would be happier thatn ours? we are still on course for an excellent points total in the league and our goals scored is up there with chelseas. we are 2 midfielders away from a title winning team, not 6 as you pointed out. while ferguson has made a few bad decisions this year, such as the city and blackburn games and i think carlos Querioz is a muppet, he still deserves where he is and it should only be him that decides when he should go.

Chucky

I have learned from the past not to discredit Alex Ferguson over his decisions. I foolishly doubted his ability at the start of a certain season a few years back... ...And what did they do then? - They won the league, cup, and European Cup!

After that, whenever I had doubts about Alex's ability I removed doubt from my head for Alex has proven to be a shrew manager with lots of tactical knowledge and business acumen.

And in all fairness, they are playing better now than they did before. I think Van Nistelrooy plays too far up the pitch for their current style of play.

PHB

oh yeah btw:

While on international duty after the Wigan final, Ruud picked up a niggle, and couldn't play in the Holland game.
He had that niggle for the second Wigna match.

If he didn't train on Fridya, it just shows that it is nothing more than a little bit of injury protection.
Also you'll notice he was sluggish when he came on, not at full fitness.

Either way, Ruud is joint second highest scorer in Europe, with Toni being first, and joint 2nd with Eto.
Not too bad

chiller

in all fairness RVD should be playing every game regardless of saha bagging a few goals. RVD has 19 league saha has.....who cares. against newcastle today it was frustrating watching him miss chances give the ball away play passes to long and to short he belongs on the bench and RVD belongs on the pitch scoring in goals. but i think saying ferguson should b sacked is going way to far the man is a hero.

Chucky

Yeh, can any of ye honestly picture Alex Ferguson being sacked from Man Utd? I mean, even if the board wanted him out I do not think they would sack him. They would talk to him behind the scenes and request his resignation.

Jonny Arson

Ferguson has lost the plot on this one yet again..... just as with O'Shea in midfield, Smith in midfield, Fortune left back, Ferdinand in midfield...... all ridiculous.

Van Nistelrooy does frustrate me at times in terms of not putting in 100% every game but as proven today during the Newcastle match with consistent poor finishing, Saha is a distinctly average striker who isn't fit to lace Ruud's boots.

If this dropping of Ruud continues I'm giving up on Ferguson for good.

treefingers

whatever about the rest of them, i think o'shea has done very well in midfield since he returned from injury.

much better defensively anyway than smith, fletcher, giggs, etc...

and he has even improved his passing. look at rooneys 2nd today - o'shea won the ball in midfield and was heavily involved in the move that set rooney up...

at the very least, he is very good backup to have for next season if (when) a top-class midfielder is signed..

Töpher

Willem D wrote:

But the legend has run out of ideas

Surely, if he had run out of ideas, he wouldn't have made the change? :rolleyes:

I know what its like to watch a manager play a team with the best player on the bench, and sometimes its called for, sometimes it isn't. If Ruud was slightly injured and wanted to give Saha a run out, whats the problem? You still won a game against a relatively inform side, seemiingly with ease.

Christ, if it annoys you that much turn off your television, or get off your barstool.
So far your ranting has made no real points of issue.

KdjaCL

Usually you dont play players you intend to sell much, and you alos play players in games that you may take an offer on. RVn will leave UTd in the summer, possibly Saha too.


kdjac

jank

Ruud will be gone. Lots of rumours flying about but what will happen is that he will leave.

BKtje

ruuds body language is still fine for me.... he was dancing around when they scored at wigan last week (when he was warming up) and was smiling and celbrating today as well.
Ruud has a world cup coming up (for a team who i think will win it, still gotta stick money where my mouth is tho) and if he has a niggle he doe NOT wanna get a long term injury. I'd be as certain as i can be that he'll be there for the forseeable future.

Guy:Incognito

Willem D wrote:

The 5 good players Ruud, Rooney, RIO, Neville and Heinze, the rest are jokers.

Van der sar is a top goalkeeper, certainly the best Utd have since Schmeichel ( not being smart when I say this, but it wouldnt be hard). I was surprised to see him at Fulham, and doubly so that he stayed there so long. He is way above that standard,


Oh btw, RVN failed to hit the target while 1 on 1 with the keeper today, surley he's now as bad as saha?

Ruskie4Rent

I think Wes Brown deserves a mention. He has been brilliant when he played.

Nalz

Successes for United this season - Brown (brilliant out and out defender), Rio (return to form), Ronaldo (slightly better than last season), Rooney (again class act), Van Der Saar (confidence booster for defence big time), Vidic (seems decent cover for defence).

But we're startin to clutch at straws really. we just dont cut it - its not enough, We have to challenging for the league and we cant with such a squad

Gegerty

My take on it was that Fergie needs a bigger squad to be a serious challenger next season. Maybe he's using the resources he has instead of dipping into the huge overdraft and buying more players. If he can give Saha some games, which he fully deserves, then he can get him out of the rut he is in. Saha has said that he is depressed and Ferguson has said he fears he will leave. The guy deserves games and while Ruud is off form and he is on form its a no brainer. No one player is bigger than the club. Ruud wants to be forever in the Man utd history books I don't think he'll leave. Maybe he should learn to score from outside the box and then his form will improve :-)

dirkey_wynne

Gegerty wrote:

My take on it was that Fergie needs a bigger squad to be a serious challenger next season. Maybe he's using the resources he has instead of dipping into the huge overdraft and buying more players. If he can give Saha some games, which he fully deserves, then he can get him out of the rut he is in. Saha has said that he is depressed and Ferguson has said he fears he will leave. The guy deserves games and while Ruud is off form and he is on form its a no brainer. No one player is bigger than the club. Ruud wants to be forever in the Man utd history books I don't think he'll leave. Maybe he should learn to score from outside the box and then his form will improve :-)

Saha has been scoring goals. He hasn't been on form in my eyes. His build up play has been ok. But it's still nowhere near as good as Ruud's and people say that is Ruud's biggest flaw. When the defence is in trouble and they look for an outlet, time and again Ruud shows, an awkward ball is sent to him, and he keeps control of it, holding on, buying time for a midfielder to show, releasing, and getting in a good scoring position. Saha does this some of the time too, but a lot more of the time the ball bounces off him at irregular angles (especially when he tries to control it with his chest).

Ruud is a far better player. Saha isn't half the finisher either. I like Saha, but if Ruud is going, then we better be signing a replacement, because Louis is not good enough to be our first choice striker. He's also particularly injury prone.

I for one am praying Ruud starts this weekend.