Something to make the bassplayers hurl their instrument at the wall.

Karl Hungus

Click this and weep.

Giblet

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7123164409752792753

Karl Hungus

Aye, saw that one before, excellent stuff.

Rustar

Amazing.

Fortunately for me, I come from the BB King School of Make One Note Tell a Thousand Stories.

Sure wish I didn't have to work a day job, though.

fish-head

Holy wow. That's a pretty impressive technique. Funny how I've never heard of him. Is he still kicking around?

That shred thing was disgusting..

david

I love his facial expressions

LundiMardi

the second one reminded me of Billy Sheehan, then i noticed it was him! heh... Twas a joy to see him with Vai in vicar st.

Karl Hungus

LundiMardi wrote:

the second one reminded me of Billy Sheehan, then i noticed it was him! heh... Twas a joy to see him with Vai in vicar st.

Aye, that was an excellent gig altogether.

punchdrunk

****!

FX Meister

Jonas Hellborg is good. Billy Sheehan is very crap. He just palys the bass like a guitar except slower.

moonboy

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4063812742782547112

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lkFMJ4-ai1I&search=primus%20

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f7YhRR8uYGo&search=primus%20

peckerhead

Dunno much about the bass, but my money's on the blond chick...

LundiMardi

FX Meister wrote:

Jonas Hellborg is good. Billy Sheehan is very crap. He just palys the bass like a guitar except slower.

i'm sure he's a hell of a lot better than you man...

Karl Hungus

FX Meister wrote:

Billy Sheehan is very crap.

:eek: Them's fightin' words, boy!

peckerhead

Don't hit gurlz...

Patricide

BILLY SHEEHAN CRAP???? Are you serious?

Steoob

Karl Hungus wrote:

Click this and weep.

erg i much prefered when he slowed down and played good stuff i hate that uber-fast inaudible bull****

fish-head

We must remember there is a vast canyon-shaped difference between being technically good and musically good.

The OP

Patricide wrote:

BILLY SHEEHAN CRAP???? Are you serious?

Deadly serious. Post that on the jazz forum and they'll laugh at him. He hides behind distortion and crappy fast runs - he's not even playing it like a bass - it's like a guitar player trying to play a bass. I have a "Niacin" DVD where Sheehan plays with Dennis Chambers in Japan, and he can't even play the start of Birdland (Weather Report song) without totally messing it up - and that's a fact - a pathetic effort from Sheehan which shows him up for the phony he is IMO. The intro isn't even that difficult, but he's out of his league trying to play Jaco, and misses all of the artificial harmonics.
Again - I can understand how laypeople can be fooled - some people even think Clapton is a great guitar player...

That Jonas Hellborg guy is great though - reminds me of Victor Wooten. At least we're headed in the right direction with Jonas, but Sheehan is a farce....

The OP

fish-head wrote:

We must remember there is a vast canyon-shaped difference between being technically good and musically good.

Sheehan is neither.

The OP

LundiMardi wrote:

i'm sure he's a hell of a lot better than you man...

What has that got to do with anything? He never claimed to be better. What an irrelevant statement....

Steoob

The OP wrote:

Again - I can understand how laypeople can be fooled - some people even think Clapton is a great guitar player...

uh oh

The OP

Steoob wrote:

uh oh

Don't even bother trying to argue over this - you'll never convince me otherwise - Clapton is a joke. A one-trick pony, with predictable blues licks - and that's MY OPINION, so let's drop it. Discussing Clapton bores me even more than his music, so let's leave it at that and move on...

Anyway, back on topic...

Doctor J

Oh goody, a this-musician-is-better-than-that-musician thread, these are never tedious, pointless or irrelevant and never descend into flamfests where folks get the ban whack :rolleyes:

I'll tell you what I see in the Sheehan video: a guy putting on a show for a crowd who came to see some shred. In that sense, you can't fault the guy. He is a kick ass rock bass player and an excellent showman and he does what he does very well indeed. For a while, I thought he was trying to play a musical interpretation of Michaelangelo's David but then I remembered he was trying to entertain some folks

Different people get different things from music and musicians, everone has an opinion but I have to say, dismissing someone as a joke is pretty ignorant. You may not enjoy someone's work, you may find their playing tiresome but every musician does things their own way and that's what keeps it interesting. Accept them for what they do and who they are. Music is ****ing wonderful, though I don't like a lot of what goes on I'd never pretend to get it all, and I'd never change that. There are people who are technically garbage but can entertain in regal style and there are people who are technically stupendous but woefully boring to all but a select few. Neither is better than the other and neither is irrelevant, it's just down to how you connect with their music and what they're trying to get across. It's all music, it's art, it's not a feckin competition.

The OP

Doctor J wrote:

Oh goody, a this-musician-is-better-than-that-musician thread, these are never tedious, pointless or irrelevant and never descend into flamfests where folks get the ban whack :rolleyes:

I'll tell you what I see in the Sheehan video: a guy putting on a show for a crowd who came to see some shred. In that sense, you can't fault the guy. He is a kick ass rock bass player and an excellent showman and he does what he does very well indeed. For a while, I thought he was trying to play a musical interpretation of Michaelangelo's David but then I remembered he was trying to entertain some folks

Different people get different things from music and musicians, everone has an opinion but I have to say, dismissing someone as a joke is pretty ignorant. You may not enjoy someone's work, you may find their playing tiresome but every musician does things their own way and that's what keeps it interesting. Accept them for what they do and who they are. Music is ****ing wonderful, though I don't like a lot of what goes on I'd never pretend to get it all, and I'd never change that. There are people who are technically garbage but can entertain in regal style and there are people who are technically stupendous but woefully boring to all but a select few. Neither is better than the other and neither is irrelevant, it's just down to how you connect with their music and what they're trying to get across. It's all music, it's art, it's not a feckin competition.

Good point - but that Sheehan clip was posted to wow people in this thread - if he was there to entertain a crowd who wanted to see shredding, then he did his job fine, but that's not why it was posted here.
Also - I did see him mess up a Jaco riff on a "Niacin" DVD, and that's why I called him a joke - he got in over his head, and couldn't deliver - i.e. I've seen his limits, and all he can do is **** really fast on a fretboard while hiding behind distortion - I just don't feel it...

Doctor J

So on a one-off appearance you write him off as a farce? Ehhhh... ok.

Not everyone can play like Jaco and, thankfully, not everyone tries to play like Jaco (though there are enough out there to make the baby jesus cry). Billy does what he does, his speed and accuracy in that video are impressive, beyond the capabilities of most people who will pick up a bass, even if it isn't going to redefine art. He's a bass player who specialises in playing rock, not jazz, and I don't think that's any reason to dismiss what he does. He did, in my opinion, a bang up job on Eat 'Em And Smile and maybe a jazz player wouldn't have nailed it quite so well. Besides, I never saw Jaco tap like that... or use a drill

The OP

Doctor J wrote:

So on a one-off appearance you write him off as a farce? Ehhhh... ok.

Not everyone can play like Jaco and, thankfully, not everyone tries to play like Jaco (though there are enough out there to make the baby jesus cry). Billy does what he does, his speed and accuracy in that video are impressive, beyond the capabilities of most people who will pick up a bass, even if it isn't going to redefine art. He's a bass player who specialises in playing rock, not jazz, and I don't think that's any reason to dismiss what he does. He did, in my opinion, a bang up job on Eat 'Em And Smile and maybe a jazz player wouldn't have nailed it quite so well. Besides, I never saw Jaco tap like that... or use a drill

No, not just that DVD. I've also seen him do some solo stuff as an "extra feature" on a Victor Wooten & Carter Beauford DVD, and it was the same repetitive ****.

Either way, I'm not into it at all. But I also have no doubt that Victor Wooten could play the exact same stuff just as well...if he was arsed practicing his scales live at a gig.

I'm big into rock music though, so it's not that I don't like the rock aspect and prefer jazz, but I like stuff that has soul - GNR, Faith No More, Greg Howe (Extraction Album, ahem, Doctor J), Zappa, Primus, RATM, Soundgarden. Sheehan does nothing for me musically. It's just bland runs with no feeling IMO. Speed is sooooo not everything.

Steoob

thank you The OP for raping this thread...

The OP

Steoob wrote:

thank you The OP for raping this thread...

Fook off, please. I'm entitled to give my opinion. I agree with Hungus that the first guy is amazing, but I don't like Sheehan - and I always said "IMO" in my posts - so what's the problem? You expect everyone to automatically just jack-off over some fast bland fret runs? Well maybe it's not to EVERYONE'S taste - maybe people have different OPINIONS! Strange concept, eh?

Rockee

Karl Hungus wrote:

Click this and weep.

Nice set of shades.....nice eye/ear candy for the musos though.

Steoob

The OP wrote:

Fook off, please. I'm entitled to give my opinion. I agree with Hungus that the first guy is amazing, but I don't like Sheehan - and I always said "IMO" in my posts - so what's the problem? You expect everyone to automatically just jack-off over some fast bland fret runs? Well maybe it's not to EVERYONE'S taste - maybe people have different OPINIONS! Strange concept, eh?

i never critisised your opinion i think he's crap too i hate that mindless neck **** too but youve totally overtaken this thread with talking that has nothing to do with the original video and you keep repeating your points about a million times over

The OP

Steoob wrote:

i never critisised your opinion i think he's crap too i hate that mindless neck **** too but youve totally overtaken this thread with talking that has nothing to do with the original video and you keep repeating your points about a million times over

I was only answering previous posts directed at me.

Cool - let's get back on topic.

First clip is amazing.

Rockee

Giblet wrote:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7123164409752792753

pretty impressive...for 2 minutes. nicer sweat bands than steve harris!

The OP

Okay, here's my positive contribution to this thread.

It's Victor Wooten at Bass Day 1998, playing his rendition of Norwegian Wood:

LINK

File Type: WMV
Duration: 3mins 23secs
Filesize: 8.1MB

Enjoy...

Rockee

The OP wrote:

Okay, here's my positive contribution to this thread.

It's Victor Wooten at Bass Day 1998, playing his rendition of Norwegian Wood:

LINK

File Type: WMV
Duration: 3mins 23secs
Filesize: 8.1MB

Enjoy...

Ah, that was beautiful...peaceful even!

Giblet

The OP wrote:

Good point - but that Sheehan clip was posted to wow people in this thread - if he was there to entertain a crowd who wanted to see shredding, then he did his job fine, but that's not why it was posted here.

Do tell me why I posted it then? Beside the fact that, you know, it's hilarious?

The OP

Here's another clip of Victor Wooten at Bass Day 1998, playing his own song: Can't Hold No Groove

LINK

File Type: WMV
Duration: 10mins 48secs
Filesize: 25MB

Much more upbeat than the last one I posted....

The OP

Giblet wrote:

Do tell me why I posted it then? Beside the fact that, you know, it's hilarious?

You posted it because you thought it was good, and you thought other people would like it, surely?

Rockee

The OP wrote:

Here's another clip of Victor Wooten at Bass Day 1998, playing his own song: Can't Hold No Groove

LINK

File Type: WMV
Duration: 10mins 48secs
Filesize: 25MB

Much more upbeat than the last one I posted....

Cheerz...thats some good stuff right there..then again Im a drummer what the fcuk would I know? :rolleyes:

Rustar

Re: Clapton's 'tired cliche' licks - 40 years ago he invented most of them and helped get a generation of young folks playing guitar.

I defy anyone to say that his work with The Cream wasn't soulful, fast, and topnotch for the time.

Karl Hungus

Man, I'm definetly not getting into a bass-player pissing contest here, and the Doc has pretty much said it all, I love what Jonas Hellborg did in the video I posted, and I love what Billy Sheehan did, and of course, Victor Wooten's stuff. They're all just quite different players.

LundiMardi

Clapton rules. That is all.

feylya

I believe this is relevant here too

feylya wrote:

Right, **** this. The next person to even attempt to start a "x sucks, y is better" thread or direct a thread in that direction gets a ban, the length of which is up to myself or Doctor J.

This thread has run it's course.